Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?
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None of it is real, so it doesn't really matter. The ships are bigger and don't look like models, it's not because of wacky timelines it because we have better special effects now.
Bigger doesn't mean more powerful.
Unless we get specs on how many Cochranes their warp reactors put out or the wattage of their phaser coils, there's no telling if these ships in the Abrams universe are half as fast, with half the fire power, or twice as fast and twice as powerful since assholes keep recalibrating the warpscale.
Look at the Defiant in in a Mirror Darkly, all those shitty 1960s special effects, and it was 15 times more powerful and 3 times faster than anything indigenous in the Terran fleet circa 2154.
Unless we get specs on how many Cochranes their warp reactors put out or the wattage of their phaser coils, there's no telling if these ships in the Abrams universe are half as fast, with half the fire power, or twice as fast and twice as powerful since assholes keep recalibrating the warpscale.
Look at the Defiant in in a Mirror Darkly, all those shitty 1960s special effects, and it was 15 times more powerful and 3 times faster than anything indigenous in the Terran fleet circa 2154.
What has the quality of the special effects to do with the size of the ships?
It is not about power, it is about believable evolution of the design aesthetic and capacity. Look at that refit Enterprise and Vengeance in that picture. Do they look to you to be products of roughly the same society with roughly the same technology and manufacturing capabilities?
A combination of audiences expecting larger ships and greater detailing like the shots of the shuttle craft going into and out of the ships. Originally the shuttle craft is larger in comparison to the docking bay in the back, so the scaled up the size of the ship it looks better on screen. So instead of a tiny model landing in a bigger model, there is some actual structure inside instead of an empty space. I actually found that despite being CG, it felt more realistic than the real models. It's easier to imagine that it's a real ship with multiple floors and machinery inside. I imagine that there was some inspiration from the new BSG as well.
Yes.
Enterprise, all of them no matter what they say, are warships.
Conservation of resources.
If they philosophically wanted to express one warrior attribute predominantly to their star ship design over other qualities, those other qualities would need to be muted or suppressed proportionately.
Speed. (faster the ship, smaller it is, larger the warp reactor is, less power dedicated to shields, but more power required for shields, and what hapens to their speed if they start shooting at warp? Which I suppose is why they have torpedoes.)
Tonnage. (if you want a thousand crew men intead of 300, you need all that life support and space to live in, which means you're slower with less surpluss of power to dedicate to weapons, and shields have to cover a larger surface area, which means even less power to give to speed and weapons.)
Fire power. (If you want guns that are going to rip through every one elses shields, maybe your shields don't have a lick to them, or your power reserves are in the toilet after a brief fire fight that you can't run away, unless there's no fight you can't win with these big guns that you never need to run from a fight. Larger coils and more batteries means more tonnage, which means less speed, and you need more shields to coverall all that extra hull.)
Shield reserve. (if Shield reserve is your priority, you might as well be a space ####ing station, but it's nice when your crew doesn't spill out into into space when assholes start carving into your ship, right?.)
But you can see how it's all connected?
If they want a bigger ship, it has to go slower to carry the extra mass, so then it needs more power to go faster, which means it has to be bigger, so it goes slower, and you can keep going like that forever, unless you do something stupid like tying the phaser batteries into the warp drive so that if you try shooting at stuff while the engine is wigging out, boom.
You feel me?
Picard talked about a single colony ship in Ensigns of Command that could comfortably fit 20 thousand people (and their shit) in it, but seriously if we are talking about a ship 20 to forty times larger than Picards Enterprise, it's going to be slow as fuck. (The Kazon city ships were easily 30 times larger than Voyager, but they were slow and under powered, but if they beamed (even though they hadn't invented/borrowed that tech yet) a boarding crew across to Voyager of three thousand Kazon, even Janeway would have to submit that she was ####ed.)
Top speed of Warp 5, and you're a moron if you go above warp 4.
The Federation can build bigger ships than any of their Enterprises, they just don't want to take those ships into battle.
Conservation of resources.
If they philosophically wanted to express one warrior attribute predominantly to their star ship design over other qualities, those other qualities would need to be muted or suppressed proportionately.
Speed. (faster the ship, smaller it is, larger the warp reactor is, less power dedicated to shields, but more power required for shields, and what hapens to their speed if they start shooting at warp? Which I suppose is why they have torpedoes.)
Tonnage. (if you want a thousand crew men intead of 300, you need all that life support and space to live in, which means you're slower with less surpluss of power to dedicate to weapons, and shields have to cover a larger surface area, which means even less power to give to speed and weapons.)
Fire power. (If you want guns that are going to rip through every one elses shields, maybe your shields don't have a lick to them, or your power reserves are in the toilet after a brief fire fight that you can't run away, unless there's no fight you can't win with these big guns that you never need to run from a fight. Larger coils and more batteries means more tonnage, which means less speed, and you need more shields to coverall all that extra hull.)
Shield reserve. (if Shield reserve is your priority, you might as well be a space ####ing station, but it's nice when your crew doesn't spill out into into space when assholes start carving into your ship, right?.)
But you can see how it's all connected?
If they want a bigger ship, it has to go slower to carry the extra mass, so then it needs more power to go faster, which means it has to be bigger, so it goes slower, and you can keep going like that forever, unless you do something stupid like tying the phaser batteries into the warp drive so that if you try shooting at stuff while the engine is wigging out, boom.
You feel me?
Picard talked about a single colony ship in Ensigns of Command that could comfortably fit 20 thousand people (and their shit) in it, but seriously if we are talking about a ship 20 to forty times larger than Picards Enterprise, it's going to be slow as fuck. (The Kazon city ships were easily 30 times larger than Voyager, but they were slow and under powered, but if they beamed (even though they hadn't invented/borrowed that tech yet) a boarding crew across to Voyager of three thousand Kazon, even Janeway would have to submit that she was ####ed.)
Top speed of Warp 5, and you're a moron if you go above warp 4.
The Federation can build bigger ships than any of their Enterprises, they just don't want to take those ships into battle.
It's all fiction and not any tougher to swallow than what Enterprise gave us as a TOS sequel.
As I was typing up my last post, it did strike me how similar this all is to the 'ENT's breaking the canon!' arguments.
Pardon me for asking, but is said gay character on The Flash Cisco?
Barry's boss Captain Singh, Singh's fiancée and Pied Piper are three male character's on the Flash who prefer men for loving.
In the comics, Pied Piper (a reformed rogue who helped out the good guys now and then) came out to Wally as gay in maybe the very, very late 1980s?
It was a big progressive step towards inclusivity for a comic book at the time, and well ahead of everyone else in the field LGBT friendliness.
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Cisco talks about women enough to be in denial or compensating, but he likes making out with Captain Cold's sister Lisa, so don't read too much into his bravado.
In the comics, Pied Piper (a reformed rogue who helped out the good guys now and then) came out to Wally as gay in maybe the very, very late 1980s?
It was a big progressive step towards inclusivity for a comic book at the time, and well ahead of everyone else in the field LGBT friendliness.
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Cisco talks about women enough to be in denial or compensating, but he likes making out with Captain Cold's sister Lisa, so don't read too much into his bravado.
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^Thanks for the info.
It is indeed similar, though I think this is about 50-times harder to swallow than ENT. But people's disbelief suspensors are differently calibrated and things that bother some might not bother others.
I also loved hearing the announcements over the PA system, as in real life aboard an aircraft carrier or any other naval vessel.
We produce military vessels of vastly different sizes with our similar levels of manufacturing capability and technology. Why is that hard to swallow?
I liked to think that the technology is about the same, but the interior designer/tastemaker fashionisto who was supposed to design/change the world from how it was in the movie 2230 to how it was in the old TV show got misplaced or distracted.
What would Nazi stormtroopers have looked like without Hugo Boss?
Good lord look how quickly the uniforms changed during the course of the original TOS pilot, the bulk of TOS, to the first movie, and then the rest of the movies till generations.
What would Nazi stormtroopers have looked like without Hugo Boss?
Good lord look how quickly the uniforms changed during the course of the original TOS pilot, the bulk of TOS, to the first movie, and then the rest of the movies till generations.
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