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[cultcross]

Or the Kelvin was on its way to earth and got diverted by the appearance of Nero, and the events of that encounter triggered her labour which would otherwise have been triggered after safely beaming down to Iowa a week or two later? That is, if we really must have an explanation for absolutely everything.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

^ Not to mention Pavel Chekov being born four years earlier somehow.

 

[BillJ]

Prime world - 2233 A.D Pregnant Mrs Kirk gives birth to a son named James Tiberius Kirk, Iowa, Earth, millions of miles nowhere near the Klingon border.

Nothing on screen says Kirk was actually born in Iowa...

 

[cultcross]

The closest we get is kirk's line in STIV which is only "I am from Iowa". The place I say I 'come from' is not the place I was born.

 

[T'Girl]

Or the Kelvin was on its way to earth and got diverted by the appearance of Nero, and the events of that encounter triggered her labour ...

Thing is, it doesn't happen that fast. From the time of the first attack, until Winona gives birth appears to be several minutes, even miscarriages take longer than that. From the timing of James birth in the shuttle, Winona would have been in labor for hours prior to the Narada's arrival.

And if the Narada didn't appear, Winona would have still given birth to James Kirk at about the same time

Don't believe me? Ask a woman who has had a child how long it takes (call your mother). Babies don't just "fall out."

if we really must have an explanation for absolutely everything.

I guess we could switch to having explanations for nothing.

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[Guy Gardener]

Unless a space god triggered the early birth to line up with all the cosmic shit Kirk is supposed to sort out.

Sam kirk is his older brother?

...

Yes T'Girl, Babies take a long time to get their shit together. A while back I read in Guinness Book of Records that the fastest vaginal delivery of triplets was two minutes... Are we sure that Kirk was a vaginal birth? Yes C-Sections cut the time right down, but I doubt Naomi Wildman was the first baby in the galaxy to be harvested from their mother with a transporter.

 

[BillJ]

Don't believe me? Ask a woman who has had a child how long it takes (call your mother). Babies don't just "fall out."

I can only speak to having watched three live births. But my youngest, after about four hours of labor pains, came out in five minutes.

 

[borgboy]

Unless a space god triggered the early birth to line up with all the cosmic shit Kirk is supposed to sort out.

Sam kirk is his older brother?

...

Yes T'Girl, Babies take a long time to get their shit together. A while back I read in Guinness Book of Records that the fastest vaginal delivery of triplets was two minutes... Are we sure that Kirk was a vaginal birth? Yes C-Sections cut the time right down, but I doubt Naomi Wildman was the first baby in the galaxy to be harvested from their mother with a transporter.

Yes, Sam is Kirk's older brother, played by Shatner in one episode wearing a fake mustache.

 

[Trekkin]

Thing is, it doesn't happen that fast. From the time of the first attack, until Winona gives birth appears to be several minutes, even miscarriages take longer than that. From the timing of James birth in the shuttle, Winona would have been in labor for hours prior to the Narada's arrival.

And if the Narada didn't appear, Winona would have still given birth to James Kirk at about the same time

Don't believe me? Ask a woman who has had a child how long it takes (call your mother). Babies don't just "fall out."I guess we could switch to having explanations for nothing.

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I took around 7 hours. Then got nearly strangled on the way out, and once that was fixed, I decided I was going to stay where I was. So then there was about 30 minutes of coaxing and pulling, via a pair of tongs applied to my infant skull.

My sister, four years later, took less than an hour. My mother didn't even really notice she was having labour pains until things were well under way. Funny enough, that sister was the only one who was even slightly premature. Impatient even in the womb.

Hell, there's women who don't even realize they're pregnant until they're actually pushing the damn thing out. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/woman-didnt-pregnant-birth-flight/story?id=30984366

There's no rule.

 

[T'Girl]

There's no rule.

From onset of first labor to actual delivery not being several minutes would be a rule.



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[Guy Gardener]

Queen Hecuba of Troy supposedly had 50 kids.

(I did read the Odyssey years ago, but apparently google says that Priam had three wives, 50 children in total sure, but Hecuba was only responsible for 19 of of his half century or spawn.)

I'm assuming that she started illegally young and had several sets of twins and triplets.

 

[Trekkin]

From onset of first labor to actual delivery not being several minutes would be a rule.



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Bit of a moot point, considering that didn't happen in JJTrek.

Though it did happen in TNG. Goddamn incestuous magical rape-aliens.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is it possible that they induced the labour?

"Hi, Winona, do you want to die pregnant, or die with a baby in your arms?"

Or...

"Winona, we're 10 minutes from abandoning ship. We're going induce labour while I have nurses and modern conveniences to make sure every thing is above board, because we are probably going to be spending the next three months at impulse speed shlepping towards a star base in a shuttle craft the size of a broom closet".

 

[Awesome Possum]

They have wacky future medical technology. If McCoy can give a lady a pill that regrows her kidneys, I can buy they made giving birth easier.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You think that the natural childbirth movement will give up the ghost?

So yes, childbirth CAN be easier, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all woman want to walk that particular path.

 

[T'Girl]

Bit of a moot point, considering that didn't happen in JJTrek.

Unless (as I suspect) Winona was already in labor and had been for hours.

The ship being attack had nothing to do with her onset of labor.

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[Awesome Possum]

Natural doesn't always mean better, it's just what we got stuck with it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"19 hours of unimaginable pain bonds you to your child better, and we don't trust you to bond without Nineteen hours of ripping and rending, because if it doesn't feel like you've invested too much to bolt, you'll probably leave your baby in the left luggage rack at Fenchurch Station in a handbag."

Hippies are masters of unspoken condescension.

 

[Trekkin]

Unless (as I suspect) Winona was already in labor and had been for hours.

The ship being attack had nothing to do with her onset of labor.

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Except everything prior to the Naradas arrival was offscreen. The entire 'lightening storm' that the Kelvin were observing was new to the timeline, and we don't know how the Kelvin came to be in that situation (or how long they were doing said observing before the Narada appeared.) It's not a continuity snarl, it's simply a blank space.

For what it's worth, the 'storm' that was described as occurring near Vulcan was implied to have been going on for a while. At least long enough for Starfleet to muster a fleet and arrive.

 

[Longinus]

As this thread seems to be hopeless derailed anyway: I am not willing to believe that any interference some twenty years prior can result this.

And no, that Kelvin does not belong to the same universe as the TOS Enterprise.

If you can swallow that sure, go for it. I can't.