Thanks. People don't need to be rude
Do you like ENT or not,why?
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Thanks. People don't need to be rude
I mean, the line from "First Contact" was vague enough that you can rationalize it, but, yeah, Earth making first contact with Qo'noS in the 2150s before the Federation founded certainly seems to contradict the line from "First Contact." But, also... it's not that big a deal. We can all squint a little.
To be clear, the TNG episode "The Outcast" established that the Federation was founded in 2161; the ENT episodes "Zero Hour" and "These Are the Voyages..." reaffirmed this. TNG Season One was set in 2364. So the Federation was 203 years old when TNG began.
So you need to be spoon-fed information and cannot make judgment calls for yourself despite having lots of evidence to make an educated guess. Gotcha.
Picard's line is ambigous enough that it can be interpreted in many ways. Yours is but one of those, and not by definition the correct one.
It left it wide open to speculate on when and how first contact with the Klingons happened. Personally, I accept the way the writers of ENT interpreted it and that is how I see it working in this fictional universe.
I did not see first contact with the Klingons as interpreted in ENT to be disastrous, just like I did not see Spock’s lines in BoT about the description of Earth ships a century before to be anything like what we saw in ENT. I would say that it was more that liberties were taken in ENT rather than actually trying to interpret the era based on the information TOS and TNG provided.
The other thing (that I mentioned earlier) is that the timeline changed. Thanks to FutureGuy and the Suliban, we have no idea if humans were supposed to meet Klingons as early as what was depicted in ENT. So Picard’s line would have referred to a different scenario entirely. Or going back even further, the timeline could have been changed when the Borg and Enterprise-E went back in time to the 21st century, which would explain why the Earth ships are nothing like what Spock described. And why SNW looks nothing like TOS.
The Star Trek prime universe timeline is most likely severely fucked up. And we can’t rely on the time cops to fix anything because they are completely incompetent at their job.
The Star Trek prime universe timeline is most likely severely fucked up. And we can’t rely on the time cops to fix anything because they are completely incompetent at their job.
Or we could just accept that in a sixty-year-old franchise, the occasional contractions happen and it's not that big of a deal.
I was lukewarm on season 1, and season 2's "sophomore slump" killed my interest entirely. I may give it another go when episodes pop up on Pluto TV.
That's a good way to rationalize the contradiction.
I never saw Enterprise as establishing that earlier iterations were lacking in some way, rather that (to anthropomorphize the show itself) it was imitating its older and more well-loved siblings.
(Well, perhaps addressing the change in the appearance of Klingons could be seen as a tacit acknowledgment that television makeup wizardry wasn’t up to the task of fully realizing their alien features in the 1960s but I don’t think even that was supposed to be critical of TOS.)
In my personal perception, any changes Enterprise made to continuity tended to be so that they could play with the same cool toys as everyone else and maybe snag more viewers.
(Well, perhaps addressing the change in the appearance of Klingons could be seen as a tacit acknowledgment that television makeup wizardry wasn’t up to the task of fully realizing their alien features in the 1960s but I don’t think even that was supposed to be critical of TOS.)
In my personal perception, any changes Enterprise made to continuity tended to be so that they could play with the same cool toys as everyone else and maybe snag more viewers.
I wasn’t talking about ENT. Which, now that I recheck the thread title, was what I probably should have been focusing on.
Who wouldn't want to do a fun goofy episode with Ferengi? With Jeff Combs, Ethan Phillips, and Clint Howard playing the Ferengi? Plus Trip running around in his blues (for those of us who, erhm, appreciate such things) as he comes to the rescue?
It was the first comedy episode for this show, the performances were great, there were fun scenes like the Ferengi trying to talk to Porthos, Archer and Trip staging a fight, T'Pol dangling the key in front of shackled Archer, T'Pol performing oomox, Ferengi just being Ferengi, always a highlight for me... I loved it all. Was I thinking about canon violations or screwed up timelines? Naw, I was too busy laughing. I don't blame the writers one bit for wanting to play with these cool toys (thanks, @Sumire).
And as someone pointed out upthread, after the alternate timestream was established by the Abramsverse, a person might just decide that all bets are off regarding what "belongs" in which show or timeline, or canon, and roll with it.
I thought "A Night in Sickbay" was funny too. There's room for all of us, because IDIC
It was the first comedy episode for this show, the performances were great, there were fun scenes like the Ferengi trying to talk to Porthos, Archer and Trip staging a fight, T'Pol dangling the key in front of shackled Archer, T'Pol performing oomox, Ferengi just being Ferengi, always a highlight for me... I loved it all. Was I thinking about canon violations or screwed up timelines? Naw, I was too busy laughing. I don't blame the writers one bit for wanting to play with these cool toys (thanks, @Sumire).
And as someone pointed out upthread, after the alternate timestream was established by the Abramsverse, a person might just decide that all bets are off regarding what "belongs" in which show or timeline, or canon, and roll with it.
I thought "A Night in Sickbay" was funny too. There's room for all of us, because IDIC
Who wouldn't want to do a fun goofy episode with Ferengi? With Jeff Combs, Ethan Phillips, and Clint Howard playing the Ferengi? Plus Trip running around in his blues (for those of us who, erhm, appreciate such things) as he comes to the rescue?
It was the first comedy episode for this show, the performances were great, there were fun scenes like the Ferengi trying to talk to Porthos, Archer and Trip staging a fight, T'Pol dangling the key in front of shackled Archer, T'Pol performing oomox, Ferengi just being Ferengi, always a highlight for me... I loved it all. Was I thinking about canon violations or screwed up timelines? Naw, I was too busy laughing. I don't blame the writers one bit for wanting to play with these cool toys (thanks, @Sumire).
And as someone pointed out upthread, after the alternate timestream was established by the Abramsverse, a person might just decide that all bets are off regarding what "belongs" in which show or timeline, or canon, and roll with it.
I thought "A Night in Sickbay" was funny too. There's room for all of us, because IDIC
It’s a highlight of Season 1 and maybe the most TOS like of the whole season.
I mean, I felt Parallels really gave us this out.
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