Even though the very first episode had a Klingon in it?
Do you like ENT or not,why?
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Even though the very first episode had a Klingon in it?
Yep, I didn't see it from the beginning
Still think that.
Iirc they never said when first contact with Klingons was
PICARD: It was my error, not hers. Chancellor, there is no starship mission more dangerous than that of first contact. We never know what we will face when we open the door on a new world, how we will be greeted, what exactly the dangers will be. Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.
It landed poorly as to how it happened in Enterprise. So, yeah, it doesn't appeal to me.
I think the timeline fits because ent was "centuries ago" but it definitely wasn't as disastrous in ENT as Picard said it was
I think the timing is barely fitting and the actual events do not work at all.
Idk about barely fitting. They couldn't really go farther back with fc with the Klingons
Picard’s line seems to imply that first contact with the Klingons happened after the Federation was formed, not before. And since what we saw in ‘Broken Bow’ was not disastrous and did not lead to decades of war, the two conflicting accounts are pretty irreconcilable. Unless the timeline changed. Then Picard’s statement is meaningless because things didn’t happen the way he described because the new timeline erased the old one.
Idk if it implies the Federation made first contact. It's too vague to fully determine imo
It’s not vague at all. Humans didn’t come up with the idea to do surveillance before making first contact, as ENT clearly shows. The Federation did. Picard was speaking for the Federation, not Earth.
I am in no way defending the choice to use Klingons on Enterprise as I honestly have no strong feelings about it and would never set myself up as an authority on Trek timelines or lore. However, just from what has been said here, is it possible that the Federation sent a very ill-informed ambassador to make first official contact between the newly formed Federation and the Klingon Empire?
Perhaps someone who just went with their gut or someone who gathered other’s perceptions of the Klingons, maybe read some logs and felt they had the gist of it. Someone who went in big and brash and bold thinking it would show strength and a “warrior’s spirit” but came across as far too disrespectful maybe? That could, theoretically, teach anyone making official first contact to spend time actually observing the society(ies) and getting a more complete and comprehensive understanding before doing anything as formal as first contact.
Perhaps someone who just went with their gut or someone who gathered other’s perceptions of the Klingons, maybe read some logs and felt they had the gist of it. Someone who went in big and brash and bold thinking it would show strength and a “warrior’s spirit” but came across as far too disrespectful maybe? That could, theoretically, teach anyone making official first contact to spend time actually observing the society(ies) and getting a more complete and comprehensive understanding before doing anything as formal as first contact.
He didn't explicitly say it was the Federation..which according to star trek Canon wasn't even 2 centuries old when TNG was based
Going to OP's original question....
I really enjoy Enterprise a lot. Love it even. The biggest problem is, when it was good it was great. But it was bad, boy was it bad. And it has a rather sizeable amount of bad during season 2. I struggle with that season really.
But overall, yup, I really love it.
I really enjoy Enterprise a lot. Love it even. The biggest problem is, when it was good it was great. But it was bad, boy was it bad. And it has a rather sizeable amount of bad during season 2. I struggle with that season really.
But overall, yup, I really love it.
So, at the time, I was put off by how much they ignored the continuity of the earlier shows. I too was one of the "cannon violation" crowd! But eventually I've come around to the idea that there are enough time travel shenanigans that things happening off schedule is fine.
I've been enjoying the Shuttlepod Show that Conner Trineer and Dom Keating are doing these days, interviewing various Trek cast and crew, and seeing it all form their perspective has warmed me to the show considerably. And my 14 year old son recently discovered it and loves it and watching it with him has made me see that it can be a very fun, if light, sci-fi show. The writing isn't the best, but it's not the worst the franchise has to dole out either.
tldr; Enterprise is okay! Light but fun sci-fi television.
--Alex
I've been enjoying the Shuttlepod Show that Conner Trineer and Dom Keating are doing these days, interviewing various Trek cast and crew, and seeing it all form their perspective has warmed me to the show considerably. And my 14 year old son recently discovered it and loves it and watching it with him has made me see that it can be a very fun, if light, sci-fi show. The writing isn't the best, but it's not the worst the franchise has to dole out either.
tldr; Enterprise is okay! Light but fun sci-fi television.
--Alex
Picard was a Federation citizen, and had been all his life. He had Troi with him, who was not human, when they introduced themselves to Mirasta and spoke about first contact procedures. They introduced themselves as members of the Federation. I’m not sure how much more proof you need that Picard wasn’t referring to only humans.
I just need him to outright say "Federation made first contact"
So you need to be spoon-fed information and cannot make judgment calls for yourself despite having lots of evidence to make an educated guess. Gotcha.
Treading on the hairy edge of Trolling here. Knock it off.So you need to be spoon-fed information and cannot make judgment calls for yourself despite having lots of evidence to make an educated guess. Gotcha.
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