It was. Most of the framework for the show was discarded for the new format.
They had to Genesis it.
Poll Do you intend to watch SECTION 31?
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They had to Genesis it.
I assume so. This is 100% not going to be the original pilot episode.
I also assume they try to cram their whole seasonal arc - including all the big character moments they have planned - into one, tight script. Like Farscape's Peacekeeper Wars on steroids.
That's why I expect neglected characterization etc. But also a breakneck speed of developments - imagine a whole DIS or PIC session distilled down to just a two-parter.
I don't think they wrote a completely new story. They kept a whole cast like for a tv show. But then condensed it down to a single movie.
It might not be good. But it won't be boring either. I suspect A LOT to happen in just 2 hours. Including character introductions & deaths in minutes.
Hey, that looks awful like criminal activity and I know that the heroes of Star Trek never do that!
Plus, how did McCoy get *snaps fingers* what's it called? Money?
Well, no. If they completely discarded the original idea, whatever that was, then the intention for this is that it will just be a one-off film, and would have been produced as such. It would not be intended as a pilot for a series, or that they've crammed in things that they expected to have 10 or 12 episodes to reveal, since the entire point of why this film was made was because CBS/Paramount didn't want a show.
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I still say that Enterprise is the only series to successfully pull that off. I don't know why other series insist upon trying to repeat. Thank God SNW broke free from that trend.
Part of the failing is these stories they’re trying to tell in 10-13 episodes these days… really don’t need 10-13 episodes to tell. Enterprise at least (IIRC, it’s been a hot minute since I last watched season 3) broke up the arc into smaller stories that fit into the overall story. Season 1 of Disco got the closest to that.
Hey, I think that's fun. I watched the 2009 Sherlock Holmes movie last night and had way to much fun ranting at the screen about how stupid the plot was. (Sherlock Homes fights the magic Illuminati, basically.) There's a lot of fun to be had in mocking something as you watch it.
Sounds good to me.
I mean, maybe? Odder from fans of a franchise to me.
Oh no, I remembered liking Sherlock Holmes, more than I expected in fact. I hope it still holds up for me.
I liked it, I just thought the plot was stupid. The characters, sets, and music were all good.
Rolling Stone just released a ranking of every Trek movie, including Section 31. Thought I'd heard that the review embargo doesn't break for another 12 hours, so this might've snuck out early (or the date I read elsewhere was just inaccurate). Their ultimate summary: "This is at worst harmless."
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Every 'Star Trek' Movie, Ranked
With the premiere of 'Star Trek: Section 31' on Paramount+, we list the franchise's entire film slate from worst to best.
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That sounds about what I expected, given what we've been told so far. A tame Mission: Impossible adventure with a team of fun misfits that uses the name Section 31 because it sounds cool rather than because they want to deal with any of its implications or baggage.
They should've just called it Star Trek: Black Ops or something and avoided Section 31 entirely, unless they were hoping the controversy would be good publicity.
They should've just called it Star Trek: Black Ops or something and avoided Section 31 entirely, unless they were hoping the controversy would be good publicity.
I’ll watch this the film and probably enjoy it for what it is. But it does seem very odd to me, after all these years of buildup, that it’s apparently being done as a rollicking-space-adventure instead of something darker. Section 31 isn’t just the CIA; it’s been pretty much established as the Federation War Crimes Department (let’s leave opinions about the CIA aside). I’d think a Section 31 story should be cerebral and ambiguous — yes, there’s a reason for doing this, and I’m doing this, but should I be doing this? etc. Less Bond, more The Spy Who Came In from the Cold.
That lines up with everything I've been hearing so far.Rolling Stone just released a ranking of every Trek movie, including Section 31. Thought I'd heard that the review embargo doesn't break for another 12 hours, so this might've snuck out early (or the date I read elsewhere was just inaccurate). Their ultimate summary: "This is at worst harmless."
Every 'Star Trek' Movie, Ranked
With the premiere of 'Star Trek: Section 31' on Paramount+, we list the franchise's entire film slate from worst to best.
I'm expecting this will be more to my liking than the Kelvin Movies and I'll like it better than Insurrection and Nemesis. And I'll almost certainly have more fun watching it than Generations. So, I'd prefer Section 31 over at least six Star Trek movies right off the bat.
My prediction: I'll end up ranking Section 31 right in the middle of the pack.
Every Trek installment ever.
The full quote is "The movies below it are outright bad. This is at worst harmless."
Correct. Though as someone who loves watching The Final Frontier despite its flaws, thinks Nemesis would be pretty good if they clipped one or two scenes and added some deleted scenes back in, and happily saw Into Darkness in theaters at least three times, I'll stand with @fireproof78 all the same.
I will always struggle with the concept of harm in an entertainment franchise installment.
That's my thing. Every Trek film I have managed to find something to enjoy, even I'm it's silliness or unlikable aspects. I enjoy Final Frontier, Nemesis and all the Kelvin films.
But, I'm a weird guy who enjoys a lot of movies often rated poorly by the masses so what do I know?
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