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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Is it?

  • Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    Votes: 194 44.7%
  • Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    Votes: 147 33.9%
  • I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    Votes: 49 11.3%

  • Total voters
    434
First, it's not just the shuttles in one episode. TOS contradicted itself all the time. James R. Kirk. Space Command. Star Service. 'The only death penalty left on the books' (which was stated about multiple different regulations). The Mind Meld, which was never used in situations where it obviously would make sense, until it was with the excuse that it's very 'private', but then they just use it willy-nilly for the rest of the show. Spock smiling and making jokes (like, a LOT). Etc, etc, etc.

Second, Burnham may be 'famous' as Starfleet's first mutineer, but her connection to Spock obviously isn't widely known so it's ridiculous to call that a problem. And Spock having an adopted sister in his youth (who was not always around, since she had her own life before the attack that killed her parents) is no bigger than every other revelation that's ever been made about Spock's past going straight back to Journey to Babel. The simple truth is, Spock doesn't talk about his past, even with his supposed friends. They didn't know his mother was human. They didn't know his parents were going to be passengers on the ship until they arrived. They didn't know he was engaged/married until Amok Time. They didn't know he had a half-brother who rejected logic. The most enduring truth about Spock is that nobody knows shit about Spock.
As said, it's a matter of degree. I think the idea Disco is the same world as TOS is ridiculous. You're more tolerant.

If it weren't for some tweets and interview comments from before the show aired, would anyone assume the shows were any more related than Worlds of DC and the Arrowverse? Or the original Lost in Space and the new one?
 
Spock starts acting crazy in "Amok Time"? Ring his sister and ask her what's going on. Raised on Vulcan, she'd be Starfleet's foremost expert on a people who were largely mysterious in TOS. She knows all about melding, Katras and many other things the classic crew didn't.

Thing that Vulcans are largely mysterious in TOS is stupid since ENT. Archer, Phlox knew century earlier all about melding, Katras and many other things about Vulcans TOS crew didn't.
 
I just don't get how Phlox could run an extensive physical examination on Klaang after he crash lands in Oklahoma and Starfleet now has a detailed medical record on the internal anatomy of a Klingon, yet about 142 years later McCoy claims he can't save Chancellor Gorkon's life because he doesn't know Klingon anatomy.

This goes beyond Phlox's medical files from more than a century before. Even McCoy has scanned Klingons before and knows they have different body temperatures and heart rates than humans. He detected Arne Darvin's Klingon identity almost immediately. Does Starfleet just have lousy backup files for its medical archives or are doctors in the service just notoriously forgetful?
 
I just don't get how Phlox could run an extensive physical examination on Klaang after he crash lands in Oklahoma and Starfleet now has a detailed medical record on the internal anatomy of a Klingon, yet about 142 years later McCoy claims he can't save Chancellor Gorkon's life because he doesn't know Klingon anatomy.

This goes beyond Phlox's medical files from more than a century before. Even McCoy has scanned Klingons before and knows they have different body temperatures and heart rates than humans. He detected Arne Darvin's Klingon identity almost immediately. Does Starfleet just have lousy backup files for its medical archives or are doctors in the service just notoriously forgetful?

Chang got to cooleddie. He's been compromised.
 
I just don't get how Phlox could run an extensive physical examination on Klaang after he crash lands in Oklahoma and Starfleet now has a detailed medical record on the internal anatomy of a Klingon, yet about 142 years later McCoy claims he can't save Chancellor Gorkon's life because he doesn't know Klingon anatomy.

This goes beyond Phlox's medical files from more than a century before. Even McCoy has scanned Klingons before and knows they have different body temperatures and heart rates than humans. He detected Arne Darvin's Klingon identity almost immediately. Does Starfleet just have lousy backup files for its medical archives or are doctors in the service just notoriously forgetful?
What if Darvin was taking advantage of the augment virus and he looked human and Gorkon had made use of the DSC Klingon augment cure to look Klingon again and that changed his anatomy?

So bones could identify Darvin as he was familiar with the anatomy of an augment Klingon thanks to Phlox’s files from s4 of Enterprise

But the DSC cure made Gorkon’s insides all weird - so bones had actually never seen it - the DSC Klingons did have pink blood after all...
 
I just don't get how Phlox could run an extensive physical examination on Klaang after he crash lands in Oklahoma and Starfleet now has a detailed medical record on the internal anatomy of a Klingon, yet about 142 years later McCoy claims he can't save Chancellor Gorkon's life because he doesn't know Klingon anatomy.

This goes beyond Phlox's medical files from more than a century before. Even McCoy has scanned Klingons before and knows they have different body temperatures and heart rates than humans. He detected Arne Darvin's Klingon identity almost immediately. Does Starfleet just have lousy backup files for its medical archives or are doctors in the service just notoriously forgetful?

Just because you know from files how a living klingon works, doesn't mean you know how to treat every possible wound he could have.

Like, we humans today have a pretty good image on how humans look inside. And yet there are still diseases or injuries we can't treat. And others we learned to treat just recently.

McCoy knew how a klingon body looks like from the inside. Probably even pretty well. But right at this point, he didn't have enough knowledge of klingon medicine to know what he should have done. If it were a human (or Vulcan, or somebody else about whose species he know a lot about treatment), he would have known what to do in the moment. With a klingon - he just didn't know which treatment he should use.

This is not a continuity issue. Not even in the slightest. This is a perfectly realistic scenario. Hell, real doctors can have the same problems between humans - like, a surgeon not being able to save a kid, because he knows too little about childrens' bodies limits and is only familiar with treating adults, which withstand the same conditions entirely different.
 
...(he certainly never told anyone he had a human mother or that his father was a famous ambassador until they literally set foot on the ship).

He told the entire bridge crew he had a human mother in "The Corbomite Maneuver". Which was the first regular episode shot, but held up due to the effects.
 
He told the entire bridge crew he had a human mother in "The Corbomite Maneuver". Which was the first regular episode shot, but held up due to the effects.

Ah, misremembered the timline. Doesn't change that he was incredibly private and details of his private life regularly shocked his friends.
 
Ah, misremembered the timline. Doesn't change that he was incredibly private and details of his private life regularly shocked his friends.

The only thing we have proof of (from TOS), was that he was private about his father. Which would stand to reason if they hadn't spoken for eighteen years after a falling out. And that he didn't want people to know that he was getting horny, when it was on him. Later he has no issue sharing information about it (Pon Farr) with someone he's just met when he is in his right mind in "The Cloud Minders".
 
The only thing we have proof of (from TOS), was that he was private about his father. Which would stand to reason if they hadn't spoken for eighteen years after a falling out. And that he didn't want people to know that he was getting horny, when it was on him. Later he has no issue sharing information about it (Pon Farr) with someone he's just met when he is in his right mind in "The Cloud Minders".
Given Michael's connection to Sarek, Spock's failure to mention makes sense.
 
Thing that Vulcans are largely mysterious in TOS is stupid since ENT. Archer, Phlox knew century earlier all about melding, Katras and many other things about Vulcans TOS crew didn't.
The Vulcans probably told them to not tell anyone.
 
The Vulcans probably told them to not tell anyone.

What about Vulcan teachers[1] in schools on Earth or books about Vulcan philosophy[2] or Vulcan treatment in earth hospitals[3] or medical exchange program in 22 century?

1. Trip's teacher mentioned in Strange new world episode
2. T'Pol gave Archer one
3. T'Pol told Mayweather that she was in hospital on Earth
 
If the vulcans are that secretive about it, it wouldn't be in publicly available books, also doctor patient confidentiality.
 
What about Vulcan teachers[1] in schools on Earth or books about Vulcan philosophy[2] or Vulcan treatment in earth hospitals[3] or medical exchange program in 22 century?

1. Trip's teacher mentioned in Strange new world episode
2. T'Pol gave Archer one
3. T'Pol told Mayweather that she was in hospital on Earth
That information does not appear to be widely known, as even Chapel did not know what Dr. M'Benga was doing in "Private Little War."
 
There's also the fact there has to be some information out there in Federation Google.

Amok Time said:
SPOCK: It is obvious that you have surmised my problem, Doctor. My compliments on your insight.

McCoy would have to have access to some material somewhere to compare Spock's physical in the episode to.

Spock simply tried to be an idealized version of a Vulcan, much like Worf tried to be an idealized version of a Klingon.
 
What if Darvin was taking advantage of the augment virus and he looked human and Gorkon had made use of the DSC Klingon augment cure to look Klingon again and that changed his anatomy?

So bones could identify Darvin as he was familiar with the anatomy of an augment Klingon thanks to Phlox’s files from s4 of Enterprise

But the DSC cure made Gorkon’s insides all weird - so bones had actually never seen it - the DSC Klingons did have pink blood after all...

This post makes the Klingons more interesting than DSC has so far.
 
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