Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Annorax849, Feb 4, 2018.

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Is it?

  1. Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    194 vote(s)
    44.7%
  2. Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    44 vote(s)
    10.1%
  3. No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    147 vote(s)
    33.9%
  4. I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    49 vote(s)
    11.3%
  1. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    As said, it's a matter of degree. I think the idea Disco is the same world as TOS is ridiculous. You're more tolerant.

    If it weren't for some tweets and interview comments from before the show aired, would anyone assume the shows were any more related than Worlds of DC and the Arrowverse? Or the original Lost in Space and the new one?
     
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  2. PiotrB

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    Thing that Vulcans are largely mysterious in TOS is stupid since ENT. Archer, Phlox knew century earlier all about melding, Katras and many other things about Vulcans TOS crew didn't.
     
  3. cooleddie74

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    I just don't get how Phlox could run an extensive physical examination on Klaang after he crash lands in Oklahoma and Starfleet now has a detailed medical record on the internal anatomy of a Klingon, yet about 142 years later McCoy claims he can't save Chancellor Gorkon's life because he doesn't know Klingon anatomy.

    This goes beyond Phlox's medical files from more than a century before. Even McCoy has scanned Klingons before and knows they have different body temperatures and heart rates than humans. He detected Arne Darvin's Klingon identity almost immediately. Does Starfleet just have lousy backup files for its medical archives or are doctors in the service just notoriously forgetful?
     
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  4. Lord Garth

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    Chang got to cooleddie. He's been compromised.
     
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  5. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    In space all threads are cold threads.
     
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  6. Groppler Zorn

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    What if Darvin was taking advantage of the augment virus and he looked human and Gorkon had made use of the DSC Klingon augment cure to look Klingon again and that changed his anatomy?

    So bones could identify Darvin as he was familiar with the anatomy of an augment Klingon thanks to Phlox’s files from s4 of Enterprise

    But the DSC cure made Gorkon’s insides all weird - so bones had actually never seen it - the DSC Klingons did have pink blood after all...
     
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  7. Rahul

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    Just because you know from files how a living klingon works, doesn't mean you know how to treat every possible wound he could have.

    Like, we humans today have a pretty good image on how humans look inside. And yet there are still diseases or injuries we can't treat. And others we learned to treat just recently.

    McCoy knew how a klingon body looks like from the inside. Probably even pretty well. But right at this point, he didn't have enough knowledge of klingon medicine to know what he should have done. If it were a human (or Vulcan, or somebody else about whose species he know a lot about treatment), he would have known what to do in the moment. With a klingon - he just didn't know which treatment he should use.

    This is not a continuity issue. Not even in the slightest. This is a perfectly realistic scenario. Hell, real doctors can have the same problems between humans - like, a surgeon not being able to save a kid, because he knows too little about childrens' bodies limits and is only familiar with treating adults, which withstand the same conditions entirely different.
     
  8. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    He told the entire bridge crew he had a human mother in "The Corbomite Maneuver". Which was the first regular episode shot, but held up due to the effects.
     
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  9. Grendelsbayne

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    Ah, misremembered the timline. Doesn't change that he was incredibly private and details of his private life regularly shocked his friends.
     
  10. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    The only thing we have proof of (from TOS), was that he was private about his father. Which would stand to reason if they hadn't spoken for eighteen years after a falling out. And that he didn't want people to know that he was getting horny, when it was on him. Later he has no issue sharing information about it (Pon Farr) with someone he's just met when he is in his right mind in "The Cloud Minders".
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Given Michael's connection to Sarek, Spock's failure to mention makes sense.
     
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  12. Tuskin38

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    The Vulcans probably told them to not tell anyone.
     
  13. PiotrB

    PiotrB Commander Red Shirt

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    What about Vulcan teachers[1] in schools on Earth or books about Vulcan philosophy[2] or Vulcan treatment in earth hospitals[3] or medical exchange program in 22 century?

    1. Trip's teacher mentioned in Strange new world episode
    2. T'Pol gave Archer one
    3. T'Pol told Mayweather that she was in hospital on Earth
     
  14. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If the vulcans are that secretive about it, it wouldn't be in publicly available books, also doctor patient confidentiality.
     
  15. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Or have human doctors doing internships in Vulcan wards. See: Doctor M'Benga.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    That information does not appear to be widely known, as even Chapel did not know what Dr. M'Benga was doing in "Private Little War."
     
  17. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    It would be tough to keep up with every species in the Federation.
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Fair point. Even current medical practitioners are reluctant to move outside their areas of expertise, and are often bound by ethics to do so.
     
  19. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    There's also the fact there has to be some information out there in Federation Google.

    McCoy would have to have access to some material somewhere to compare Spock's physical in the episode to.

    Spock simply tried to be an idealized version of a Vulcan, much like Worf tried to be an idealized version of a Klingon.
     
  20. cooleddie74

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    This post makes the Klingons more interesting than DSC has so far.
     
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