Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys
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They're not going to bring Legends back.
There was, however, according to Obi-Wan the expectation that the offspring of a Jedi would be one and in TESB a lot of emphasis on how rare Force potential, specifically Luke's, was and thus how rare and important his status as the one hope was.
Bottom line: Most long-running franchises have their ups and down, so one movie under-performing at the box office is not exactly the Titanic striking the iceberg. It was bound to happen one day, but it doesn't mean that STAR WARS is doomed, doomed, doomed or needs "saving." At worst, it might dictate some minor course corrections, not hitting the brakes full stop.
Someday a Marvel movie will disappoint, financially. Won't mean that the entire MCU has to be "scrapped."
(Heck, THE INHUMANS flopping doesn't seem to have harmed the Marvel brand irrevocably or caused any heads to roll.)
Show biz has always been a horse race. Sometime you win one, sometimes you don't.
Someday a Marvel movie will disappoint, financially. Won't mean that the entire MCU has to be "scrapped."
(Heck, THE INHUMANS flopping doesn't seem to have harmed the Marvel brand irrevocably or caused any heads to roll.)
Show biz has always been a horse race. Sometime you win one, sometimes you don't.
While that is true, I am talking solely on the merits of ANH, where there was no mention in the slightest about needing some special Force potential needed, no familial relations, nothing. You put in the work, you believed in yourself, and It allowed for the audience members, particularly those who are young, to say, "Hey, Luke Skywalker saved the Rebellion. He's pretty special. I can be something special!" That's a cool and really important message for kids to have! When Obi-Wan comes back and complicates matters, the kid comes back and says, "Oh? Its because his dad was special? My dad's just a regular guy. Guess I can't make a difference." Honestly, Rey's story with no special parents at all, coming from nowhere, brings that feeling back. At least for me.
I get what GL was trying to do there by creating a modern myth, but as my wife and I have been working on starting a family, the message I want to share with my kids is not that I'm not a superhero (or super villain as in Luke's case). I'm just a regular guy. But if you want to dream of being one, my being a regular guy should not stop you. Obviously I'm simplifying this quite a bit but that's why ANH, and later Rey's story, resonates with me more than what we see later in the OT and PT.
Does that make sense?
I completely agree that it's a refreshing idea for Rey not to be connected to anyone important.
However, in SW77, Luke's father was said to be a Jedi who trained under Kenobi. Luke was a nobody, but only because his father, who Ben called the best star-pilot in the galaxy, had been "killed," and Luke was left in the care of his aunt and uncle on a remote and desolate world.
While that's true, there was never any indication that one had to have the genetic connection to be able to access the Force. It just was.
It was very much a theme.
Quite so.
When Luke told Ben that he wished to follow in his father's footsteps and become a Jedi, it wasn't because he realized that he'd inherited his father's Jedi abilities. Granted, Ben remained silent about a lot, as we found out later. But at that point, Luke had nothing left, he had been thrust into the war, and he had just learned that his father was a hero instead only a navigator on a random spice freighter. Luke wanted to fight the Empire, so he was willing to learn to use the Force.
Luke is/was from a lineage of Force sensitive 'genetics' that gave him the ability to learn the ways of the Force. It gifted him more than his sister. Sure he may have still followed a path to fight the Empire without it but it was always this magical Force that made his special.
Yes, we're quite aware that's what the later films established. That's not what we're talking about though.
We're talking about the universe as it was laid out to us in 1977. That's a reasonable thing to be concerned with, since it's quite well understood that a sizable part of the TFA experience was about recapturing the feelings one got back in 1977 when watching the original film.
@Campe98's point is that making Rey a nobody is very much a return to first principles, which is something than evidently a lot of people don't realize. After parsing through the issues, I completely agree with that point. It's been a few decades, but I still recall how things looked in the SW universe prior to 1980 and seeing TESB.
^ I was going to respond to @Refuge but @CorporalCaptain (love the screen name, btw) hit every point I was going to. Thank you, sir or madam!
Yeah, what I enjoyed about TFA had a lot to do with going back to the beginnings of the thing.
It wasn't until I saw the first trailer for Solo, though, that it came to me clearly how utterly uninterested I've been by the whole Jedi/Sith/Clones saga - and the Skywalkers themselves were only entertaining through ROTJ.
It wasn't until I saw the first trailer for Solo, though, that it came to me clearly how utterly uninterested I've been by the whole Jedi/Sith/Clones saga - and the Skywalkers themselves were only entertaining through ROTJ.
Were we watching different movies? The only thing that suggests special in the 1977-1996 Star Wars (pre any SE changes) was the line “I understand you’ve become a good pilot yourself.” That’s kind of necessary though to set up him to fly in the final battle. But that’s it. Unless I’m missing something! And I know that movie very well. Everything else is relatable to just being a normal guy. (Relatively speaking, of course.)
We must have. I could have sworn Obi-Wan told Luke his father was a Jedi Knight in New Hope.
Pretty sure that's already been addressed... somewhere....We must have. I could have sworn Obi-Wan told Luke his father was a Jedi Knight in New Hope.
Luke's experience in the proverbial sticks shooting womp rats from his skyhopper is explicitly given as the basis for Luke's confidence in the suicide mission to destroy the Death Star. That's playing the Sergeant York card, where the guy from the back woods shows the people from the less rural areas of country what sharpshooting really is. To really drive the point home, Luke even remarks during the battle that the dangerous way they have to hurtle towards the end of the trench is like how he used to fly through Beggar's Canyon back home.
It's Luke's experience growing up that prepared him to do this.
Just like how Rey is prepared sufficiently by her experiences. Somehow a young woman who's been able to survive alone in a hostile environment since she was a little girl just isn't respected.
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We must have. I could have sworn Obi-Wan told Luke his father was a Jedi Knight in New Hope.
That’s true but where does Obi-Wan say, “Hey, Luke, Imma train you because your dad was a Jedi and that’s the only way anyone ever can be a Jedi?” There’s no requirements for it. Luke merely decided he wanted to follow his father’s footsteps.
At least, that’s what I got. Obviously many of the truths we cling to are based on a certain point of view.
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