If i'm vile I'm afraid to see what your warped view finds wholesome.
Disney rehires Gunn for GotG 3
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I keep it civil because it's the bare minimum of respect which people, even those who's opinions I disagree with, deserve as individuals.
That's the difference between me and the far left.
Why don't you get back on topic? If you want to rant about the left go to TNZ.
Again, I don't see the need for any further interaction, I see your profile picture I know im probably going to see an unpleasant post and will scroll past, I suggest you do the same, anything else is unproductive at this stage.
She's attacked me and the moderator on duty is severely biased and actually came in and started tag teaming with her.
That's why.
I'm not a mod here.
I stopped a while ago, you're the one you can't let it drop. Now you should probably get back on topic and it has nothing to do with SJWs.
I often show respect to people by not reading/listening to what anyone else says/thinks, because I’m in too much of a hurry to share whatever random neurone has misfired inside my noggin.
I see we have another fatal case of someone mistaking ‘Respectable’ =/= ‘respectful.’ Tragic, really.
Edit: my autocorrect really wants that word to be ‘neutron.’ Even more than my super-violent, far-left self wants to make the ruling classes tremble at communist revolution. I blame Patrick Stewart for both.
I also want a movie with the original Guardians (minus Yondu) that they introduced in Guardians 2.
I would indeed, watch Sly Stallone, Miley Cyrus, Michelle Yeoh, Ving Rhames, and Michael Rosenbaum ‘Steal some shit.’ In spaaaace.
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That's why I can't see it as actual concern. It's outrage used as a weapon for purely political purposes. Something they constantly accuse the left of, but that's mostly based on a few idiots on Twitter getting blown up by the people who obsess over them, then blown up in the online version of gossip rags.
But the thing that bothers me most is that they targeted Gunn. He truly changed and it not only didn't diminish his work, but improved it. While most of the MCU films are somewhat generic in tone and aesthetic, the Guardian film have a distinct style and an empathy for their characters that the others don't really achieve. The final shot of Vol 2 is Rocket crying because he knows that the Guardians will always love him even if he acts like an asshole to them and pushes them away and it was completely earned. That's been his arc for two films. That's what Gunn has done in everything he worked on, finding the heart of anything from world destroying alien with the memories of a man to a delusional man believing himself to be a superhero to blue space pirate.
Hell, ‘the left’ complained about Gunn’s past when he was hired. He apologised then, and had to earn his props.
(For eg. Even after Guardians came out, people pointed out issues with his treatment of Gamora, and some of the jokes. So rather than chucking a fit, he addressed that criticisms in 2.
With is a rather stark comparison to, say...other writers in the MCU insisting on giving Tony rape jokes.)
Apparently his history of really awful jokes, is only a concern when a convicted rapist complains about it
(For eg. Even after Guardians came out, people pointed out issues with his treatment of Gamora, and some of the jokes. So rather than chucking a fit, he addressed that criticisms in 2.
With is a rather stark comparison to, say...other writers in the MCU insisting on giving Tony rape jokes.)
Apparently his history of really awful jokes, is only a concern when a convicted rapist complains about it
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Another writer/director would keep Peter as a static manchild, but his arc is him slowly growing out of his immaturity. He along with the rest of the Guardians become Baby Groot’s parents with him taking on a more nurturing role.
Even Drax, who on his face is the most stereotypically ‘manly man’ possible, has layers and growth.
The first movie had him coming to terms with the fact his hypo-aggressive tendencies are just a front for his extreme pain, and he begins to express himself in a more vulnerable and healthyish manner. By Drax standards, anyway.
In the second one, he has no shame at all about quietly sharing his grief with Mantis, and the combo of his honesty/him being as considerate as he can be (“You’re ugly” *see’s she’s upset* “But that’s a good thing,”) leads to her trusting him and switching sides.
He was also the most open about seeing his friends as basically family, whilst everyone else in G2 still had their heads up their asses.
The first movie had him coming to terms with the fact his hypo-aggressive tendencies are just a front for his extreme pain, and he begins to express himself in a more vulnerable and healthyish manner. By Drax standards, anyway.
In the second one, he has no shame at all about quietly sharing his grief with Mantis, and the combo of his honesty/him being as considerate as he can be (“You’re ugly” *see’s she’s upset* “But that’s a good thing,”) leads to her trusting him and switching sides.
He was also the most open about seeing his friends as basically family, whilst everyone else in G2 still had their heads up their asses.
Ok. Let’s examine this point disengaged from the political element for a moment.
One—you are correct. The jokes were, I’d even say are, offensive.
Two—they were made a considerable time ago (i.e. 7-12 years ago, not last week).
Three—he has apologized, repeatedly.
Four—he has not repeated the offensive behaviour.
Five—he accepted his firing gracefully (i.e. he didn’t make a public spectacle whining about the unfairness of life).
Now, let’s pretend, just for a moment, that instead of being a Hollywood filmmaker, James Gunn is an auto mechanic (or any other profession that doesn’t put you in the spotlight). And that, 7-12 years ago, he expressed offensive jokes, not to “strangers on the internet” but to people around him at work or over some beers at the pub. Not all the time, but often enough to be a pattern rather than a singular screw up. Then one day, his boss pulls him aside and tells him he better shape up or, despite his talent, Gunn will be let go. His jokes are making his co-workers increasingly uncomfortable, citing some specific complaints that make Gunn realize he needs to change and he’s been more offensive than funny. So Gunn faces a choice—double down or change his behaviour. He chooses the latter. He apologizes to his co-workers and promises to change. They, quite rightfully, remain sceptical for some time. But he perseveres. He makes no more offensive jokes or comments for six months, a year, two years, three, etc.
Seven years later, a customer, unsatisfied with the results of a repair, finds a YouTube video of Gunn at a local bar 9 years ago, moderately drunk and telling offensive jokes that someone thought would be amusing to upload, and storms back to the garage demanding Gunn be fired. The boss refuses and the customer releases the video on Twitter, with a message singling out the garage as coddling a pervert. Does Gunn deserve to be fired in this alternative scenario?
I wonder how many of these members offended by Gunn are also offended by Tucker Carlson? Or are they going to feign confusion and pretend they don't know what he has been saying?
Which is worse? A guy with bad jokes or a guy who openly expressed his low opinion of women with derogatory comments?
Which is worse? A guy with bad jokes or a guy who openly expressed his low opinion of women with derogatory comments?
#tuckercarlsonfuckshisroomba
This thread seems a good placement for the latest relevant last week tonight segment about public shaming:
I am very shocked Disney brought Gunn back. I didn't think they ever admit they are wrong about anything. What I am not surprised at was him working for DC or even doing Suicide Squad. I actually was predicting that early one when he was first "fired." Now him doing both a DC and MCU movie back to back. I really didn't seeing something like that happening.
Jason
Jason
Ovation, I appreciate your well thought out and expressed contribution.
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