They didn't say. Although that sounds about right. Certainly no more than about 50 years.
Discussion of Maquis cause
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They didn't say. Although that sounds about right. Certainly no more than about 50 years.
Weren't the Maques were more farmers than a techno-utopia
I guess, but there were surely other planets in the Federation to farm on. There are still vineyards on Earth. Being tied to a specific soil seems very "reactionary" compared to the progressive future of the Federation. When everyone has access to productive resources and technology, why would the Maquis care that they have to move from one place to another? They can bring all of their property from one planet to another, and rebuild for free whatever buildings and communities they have on a new planet.
I don't think the writers thought through how silly the Maquis cause is in a post-scarcity economy with free access to replicators.
Unless the Maquis think they have some mystical connection to the soil, which still doesn't make them sympathetic, it makes them seem primitive and superstitious.
Part of relocating into "disputed territory" might have been to deliberately move away from the federation, which could be a partial explanation as to why they did not take the offer to move back into federation territory.
Perhaps less reactionary, and more a quest for a more traditional lifestyle. No one is saying they were all Quakers, but that might have been the case for some of the colonists.
Spock: "There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. A profound revulsion against the planned communities ... the programming ... the sterilized artfully balanced atmospheres. "
Because they put down roots, if a colony was half a century old it could be well into it third generation and maybe the beginning of a fourth, each generation improving and building upon the works and deeds of the previous.
Blood, sweat and tears.
There's also the consideration that on top of what they built having to be abandoned, it was then going to be taken over by the Cardassians. The colonist easily could have lost family and friends in the war with the Cardassians.
They would have had to of been blind not to know that the war was severely costing Starfleet and the federation.
Picard: "... the last war caused massive destruction and cost millions of lives."
Which make the assumption there actually is a "post-scarcity economy" in existence, or that the colonist would have access to any replicators in their new location.
When Starfleet provides a single replicator to the Bajorians, and later three to the Cardassians, it seem to be a major undertaking, certainly not something which was casually done.
That did seem to be the case with the Native Americans in Journey's End.
Except in The Wounded the Cardassians were actually secretly rearming for war and Chain of Command they were positioning for a surprise attack hell kidnaping and torturing Picard was a big part of their attack plans so it looks like they don't mind fighting a war with the Federation.
Part of relocating into "disputed territory" might have been to deliberately move away from the federation, which could be a partial explanation as to why they did not take the offer to move back into federation territory.
Perhaps less reactionary, and more a quest for a more traditional lifestyle. No one is saying they were all Quakers, but that might have been the case for some of the colonists.
Spock: "There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. A profound revulsion against the planned communities ... the programming ... the sterilized artfully balanced atmospheres. "
Because they put down roots, if a colony was half a century old it could be well into it third generation and maybe the beginning of a fourth, each generation improving and building upon the works and deeds of the previous.
Blood, sweat and tears.
There's also the consideration that on top of what they built having to be abandoned, it was then going to be taken over by the Cardassians. The colonist easily could have lost family and friends in the war with the Cardassians.
They would have had to of been blind not to know that the war was severely costing Starfleet and the federation.
Picard: "... the last war caused massive destruction and cost millions of lives."
Which make the assumption there actually is a "post-scarcity economy" in existence, or that the colonist would have access to any replicators in their new location.
When Starfleet provides a single replicator to the Bajorians, and later three to the Cardassians, it seem to be a major undertaking, certainly not something which was casually done.
That did seem to be the case with the Native Americans in Journey's End.
Weren't those particualr replicators, Class 4 Industrial Replicators? I suspect there is a difference between an Industrial Replicator and a standard replicator you might find in someone's home.
Except they ended up completely embarrassed on both occasions when confronted. Maxwell was killing Cardassians by the hundreds in "The Wounded" and the Cardassians just took it. Face it, their government was militaristic but the public never really wanted to go that route. We saw that come to a head in DS9 around Season 4. The military ambitions of the central command were unsustainable without the support and resources of the rest of their citizens.
This is not a statement either way for the Maquis cause, but just wanted to say that the entire idea of farming in the 24th century with ready access to food replicators is stupid.
They attack the Enterprise as soon as they encountered it and then tried to look reasonable and cooperative so the Federation would get rid of Maxwell so they could continue to rearm.
I doubt one blows setting up a surprise attack likely before they are ready to launch it.
They probably only abandoned the plan because they lost the element of surprise.
And as for the Cardassians not having a guaranteed victory a Starfleet already told Picard the Federation wasn't in any position to fight a war what with the Borg kicking their asses 11 episodes before so the Cardassians probably thought with a surprise attack coupled with Starfleet still being wrecked that they had good odds.
Besides it's not like Starfleet being stronger means inevitable Federation victory since in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline the Klingons came back from being crippled in TUC to about 50 years later being able to launch a year war against the Federation that had the Federation six months away from surrender 20 years later.
So let's not go assuming the Cardassians couldn't beat the federation under the right circumstances just because they look tougher.
Which means jack when you've got a secret police to disappear dissidents or put them through show trials.
No the Central Command fell apart after the Obsidian Order was decimated by the Dominion and they couldn't use fear and intimidation to keep their citizens in line.
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^ I would hazard a guess that 1) it doesn't take long to fix a replicator, and 2) given how near-universal they are, there's a huge market for replicator repairpeople and so there'd always be such a person handy. 
^ I would hazard a guess that 1) it doesn't take long to fix a replicator, and 2) given how near-universal they are, there's a huge market for replicator repairpeople and so there'd always be such a person handy.
I'm talking about being out on the frontier and suddenly your power grid and everything else gets fried by an EM pulse from your star or something along those lines.
Even in a replicator environment, it would seem wise to still have agriculture.
Picard's brother farmed, young Worf at one point lived in a agricultural colony, daddy Sisko served non-replicated food.
On a space station, and aboard a long voyage starship a replicator system would make sense from a supply and economic point of view.
But on a planet with access to fertile soil and plentiful water, the replicator is less essential. It's reduced to a convenience.
If part of being a colonist is building a future with their own hands, having your food fall out of a hole in the wall might be missing the point.
Consider the episode The Survivors, in the colony Delta Rana the Uxbridge house had a small reactor in the basement for power, but Picard felt the need to provide the Uxbridges' with a small limited replicator for food and clothing. Meaning the intact house didn't already have one.
But neither did the house Miles O'Brien grew up in, and that was on Earth.
Picard's brother farmed, young Worf at one point lived in a agricultural colony, daddy Sisko served non-replicated food.
On a space station, and aboard a long voyage starship a replicator system would make sense from a supply and economic point of view.
But on a planet with access to fertile soil and plentiful water, the replicator is less essential. It's reduced to a convenience.
If part of being a colonist is building a future with their own hands, having your food fall out of a hole in the wall might be missing the point.
Consider the episode The Survivors, in the colony Delta Rana the Uxbridge house had a small reactor in the basement for power, but Picard felt the need to provide the Uxbridges' with a small limited replicator for food and clothing. Meaning the intact house didn't already have one.
But neither did the house Miles O'Brien grew up in, and that was on Earth.
Ok, conceded.
Who wants to eat junk from a replicator if you can eat fresh foods and cooked?
It's like comparing a genetically modified, chemically laden, microwaved frozen dinner to a an organic chef- prepared gourmet meal.
It's like comparing a genetically modified, chemically laden, microwaved frozen dinner to a an organic chef- prepared gourmet meal.
^ Some people just don't like gourmet meals. I know I don't.
I don't like to cook. 
"genetically modified" means practically nothing. Many of the fruits and vegetables we eat are genetically modified-for example, seeded fruits are modified to be seedless.
Likewise, "organic" doesn't really tell you anything. One can eat "organic" food that tastes awful and is bad for you.
I suspect that those who prefer "non-replicated" food in the 24th century and claim to be able to taste the difference are snobs of the type who think that they can taste the difference between bottled water and tap water. In other words, I'd have them do a blind taste test and see if they could REALLY tell which was replicated and which wasn't.
