I just realized that I'd mixed up Far from Home and Forget Me Not, with the latter being the episode in which Zora was introduced on DSC.
My bad.
My bad.
Discovery Season Four: Predictions, Speculation & Off The Wall Theories
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First of all, there’s no specific time period set for Calypso. All we know is that the Discovery NCC-1031 had been abandoned and stuck in a nebula for 1,000 years before Craft was brought on board. This whole scenario was the basis for the idea to have the ship thrown into the future two years later. But it wasn’t meant to be part of the continuity. It was basically a pilot episode. It was the M*A*S*H movie as opposed to the M*A*S*H TV series. To now have Paradise say that they’re going to try to link the two is just silly.
So she's a female version of Jean-Luc Picard, got it.
(And please do remember even at the end of the first season of "Picard", Jean-Luc Picard was proven right, And the Admiral sent William Riker in command of a fleet to save the Federation and the Galaxy.)
If you’re referring to the guy we saw in PIC, then you’d be correct. He’s just as much of a Mary Sue as Burnham is. If you’re referring to the guy we saw in TNG, you’d be incorrect.
Not within Calypso itself, yes, but here's Michelle Paradise commenting on Calypso and its relation to DSC within the last week (emphasis mine):
“Well, first of all, ‘Calypso’ is incredible. I mean, it’s just, we love it. And it is now a part of Trek canon, but specifically our show’s canon.
It takes place many, many years beyond where our heroes are right now, and at some point, we will absolutely have to match up with that so that Discovery as a whole, including ‘Calypso,’ all fits together as a piece.
So certainly bringing in that voice in episode four and having — we’ll call her Zora, she doesn’t have a name at this point — but having her hide in the DOTs and be part of the story in 12 and 13 is the beginning of driving toward that.
And eventually — who knows when? — we will absolutely have to make sure that we sync up with that.”
What you care about or think is irrelevant, because they are linking Calypso and DSC regardless of any perceived discrepancies.
Yes it's been there for 1000 years. Now at the time one could assume the year was 3258, but with Discovery jumping to the 32nd Century that changes it to 4100s. or later.
It was a one off, a nice little self contained two character story, not a pilot. The Disco is the only character they had in common and setting is totally different. That said, they've taken bits from it and incorporated them into DISCO. That may be the extent of the links. And there's nothing silly about that. It's canon but that doesn't mean the 32nd Century crew will meet Craft and the fully actualized Zora.
What part of DISCO and Calypso happening years (Decades? Centuries?) apart are you failing to understand?
And since I’m not interested in what you think about it either, we don’t have to discuss it further.
Er, the part where the ship no longer looks like it did before, so Calypso taking place in the future of DSC season three doesn’t make sense to me. And again, since I’ve mentioned this many times before, we don’t need to continue this discussion any further since we’re just stubbornly running around in circles trying to prove each other wrong at this point, and it’s tiresome.
The ship looks like it did in Seasons One and Two because that's when it was filmed. If it shows up in a newer episode it very well may look like the current configuration or they may modify it to show time has passed. Remember, it's fiction. You can change something and not have some convoluted explanation. It become the status quo at that point past and present. Just like no one refers to a character called "James R. Kirk". Because the current status quo is that Kirk's middle initial is "T". Fiction is mutable.
Fiction is definitely mutable.
Per ENT
Per TOS
Per PIC
The junior flag rank is also Commodore in Starfleet.
The only exception... maybe... is TNG s1 & 2, and even then it's not identified as Rear Admiral Lower Half specifically, they could just as easily be Flotilla Admirals (RW rank), Junior Admirals, Branch Admirals, Wing Admirals or Group Admirals (sub-fleets are usually refered to as Wings or Groups in canon).
Saru doesn't have to be serving on the Discovery in order to remain a Series Regular.
Ambassador at large Saru.
Much of what I'm thinking has already been said.
Burnham arc: Coming to terms with captaincy. We see her in exceptionally good spirits at the end of the third season because that's what works best for the episode. I suspect she will go through some growing pains nevertheless. Perhaps she'll also have an arc in which, over the course of several episodes, she has to choose the greater good between two rival worlds which are both in need of dilithium to fuel their war.
Saru arc: Serves as Federation ambassador to Kaminar for the first half of the season. In so doing, he uncovers some form of internal strife and handles it diplomatically. He returns to the Discovery in the back half, perhaps as first officer.
Stamets arc: Burnham will obviously need to work hard to regain his familial degree of trust. I think overall Stamets will share his arc with Culber, attempting to find a way to make Gray visible to the rest of the universe. Maybe he works alongside Aurellio.
Tilly arc: Something tells me they'll cash in on the DOTs assisting Tilly and her team in the third-season finale by having her more thoroughly befriend, uh, "Proto-Zora." I think she will serve as first officer for the front half of the season, possibly handing over the reins to Saru thereafter. It might be interesting (in a very quintessentially Discovery way) to have Tilly feel more sympathetic toward the side in a squabble that Burnham perceives as the greater threat.
Book arc: Something bad happens, or has happened, to his mentor. That something just so happens to collide with the season's big bad, leading to...
Season arc: A more conventional confrontation with a hostile and aggressive species than season three provided, to the chagrin of some fans and the renewed interest of others. We'll be reintroduced to the Klingons in this manner, not because they're the villains but because they're being ravaged by them. Cue Burnham working to save the Klingon race, an ironic flip from season one. I believe this species will be brand new to the canon; the writers of this show have shown that, if anything, they listen to fans too frequently. More fresh faces is certainly something many of us would like to see.
"Zora" arc: Well, I think it's rather obvious that she will grow and evolve over the course of the season. Perhaps some of that growth is more of a challenge to the Discovery crew than a boon.
Burnham arc: Coming to terms with captaincy. We see her in exceptionally good spirits at the end of the third season because that's what works best for the episode. I suspect she will go through some growing pains nevertheless. Perhaps she'll also have an arc in which, over the course of several episodes, she has to choose the greater good between two rival worlds which are both in need of dilithium to fuel their war.
Saru arc: Serves as Federation ambassador to Kaminar for the first half of the season. In so doing, he uncovers some form of internal strife and handles it diplomatically. He returns to the Discovery in the back half, perhaps as first officer.
Stamets arc: Burnham will obviously need to work hard to regain his familial degree of trust. I think overall Stamets will share his arc with Culber, attempting to find a way to make Gray visible to the rest of the universe. Maybe he works alongside Aurellio.
Tilly arc: Something tells me they'll cash in on the DOTs assisting Tilly and her team in the third-season finale by having her more thoroughly befriend, uh, "Proto-Zora." I think she will serve as first officer for the front half of the season, possibly handing over the reins to Saru thereafter. It might be interesting (in a very quintessentially Discovery way) to have Tilly feel more sympathetic toward the side in a squabble that Burnham perceives as the greater threat.
Book arc: Something bad happens, or has happened, to his mentor. That something just so happens to collide with the season's big bad, leading to...
Season arc: A more conventional confrontation with a hostile and aggressive species than season three provided, to the chagrin of some fans and the renewed interest of others. We'll be reintroduced to the Klingons in this manner, not because they're the villains but because they're being ravaged by them. Cue Burnham working to save the Klingon race, an ironic flip from season one. I believe this species will be brand new to the canon; the writers of this show have shown that, if anything, they listen to fans too frequently. More fresh faces is certainly something many of us would like to see.
"Zora" arc: Well, I think it's rather obvious that she will grow and evolve over the course of the season. Perhaps some of that growth is more of a challenge to the Discovery crew than a boon.
then enterprise had to ruin everything
Oh boy!, to quote Same Beckett
So she'll be fully functional and can make love to her crew, the whole body thing was done already on Andromeda, only Rommie didn't bonk her captain.
Not only is fiction mutable, the Discovery herself is mutable. They have super-future technology that could change the look of the ship with a simple voice command.
Any argument that Calypso can't happen because of the Discovery's appearance is incorrect based on the events of Season 3. Discovery *will* change back before the events of Calypso, and I'm interested in "discovering" why. It could be the ever-nostalgic Zora herself who was first installed on Discovery in the Long, Long Ago.
I think that assuming this is premature and presumes knowledge we don't have.
Well, I think it is a plausible explanation, but I don´t think it is what the writters had in mind when they wrote the episode.
We don't know what the writers had in mind when they wrote this episode - we can only speculate to fill in the blanks really.
But my explanation works based on what we saw in earlier Trek.
We also don't know if the vast systems hub and the inability to access the Warp core on foot would be part of the TARDIS technology we saw from ENT on that time ship pod, or its a massive inconsistency that simply doesn't fit and needs to be ignored until its fixed.
It works for 32nd century ships yes to have bigger on the inside than on the outside technology integrated, but SOME kind of explanation (or a throwaway line) would have been good to justify it.
Until we have the explanation Occam's Razor works too 
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