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Discovery Season Four: Predictions, Speculation & Off The Wall Theories
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Y'all realize it took 3 seasons to undo the insanity of Bryan Fuller attempting to "reimagine" Star Trek. We have to jump 900 years into the future for a clean slate. I think everything up to this point is simply undoing the damage he almost did to Trek. Based on what the writers had to work with I'm glad we are where we are.
Season 4 will involve rebuilding the Federation, some new big bad that's "out there" but we won't actually deal with them until season 5, we will see the events of Calypso play into season 4 - at this point I'm thinking Calypso is a ruse to get intel on how a certain species view the Vedraysh. I think we will see a new Enterprise or at least decedents of the crews we know and I think we will see the new ships in action.
Season 4 will involve rebuilding the Federation, some new big bad that's "out there" but we won't actually deal with them until season 5, we will see the events of Calypso play into season 4 - at this point I'm thinking Calypso is a ruse to get intel on how a certain species view the Vedraysh. I think we will see a new Enterprise or at least decedents of the crews we know and I think we will see the new ships in action.
You’re being unnecessarily harsh toward Fuller. His original idea was to have an anthology series taking place during each time period, past, present, and future. CBS nixed that, and after he left, other people changed things around to what we ended up with. So accusing Fuller of ‘insanity’ is like accusing Al Gore for Facebook being evil.
I don’t think Calypso will have anything to do with Season 4. I think the writers and producers have gotten past trying to link that Short Trek to what’s happening now. Calypso has become too inconsistent with the current production. So far the only link it has is Zora and the one guy using the term ‘V’draysh’ (and then never using it again, instead just using the name ‘Federation’ for the rest of the season.) The Federation is not shown to be at war with anyone, nor do they have any fascination with things from centuries before, unlike the V’Draysh.
Michelle Paradise said otherwise in an interview she just gave this week here: http://blog.trekcore.com/2021/01/star-trek-discovery-michelle-paradise-season-3-wrap-interviews/
Michelle Paradise said:
The insanity of it is the drastically changed visuals. Klingon ships, physiology, etc. The visuals were off the charts wild so much so that it didn't even feel like it existed in the same universe except for the name "Star Trek". I don't intend to be too harsh to Fuller. Im thankful that he had a large role in bringing back Trek. It did take years to get it back on course from where it was headed under his leadership.
The recurring theme of Discovery has been asking the question of “what does Starfleet and the Federation mean, beyond the uniform, beyond the flag, as a set of ideals.” So that in mind, I think the focus is going to be on figuring out, now that they can recover from the Burn, HOW do they recover - sure, we have Ni’var and Trill making diplomatic overtures, but these are different worlds than they were when they were last part of the Federation. Maybe they no longer fit.
Going off the talk of connections, how do we respond to a change in how we connect with one another? How do we rebuild those bridges, and can we proceed to make new ones, to fit the new experiences?
Ideally, I’d like to see this asked in a series of mini-arcs and a couple of standalones that connect thematically to build to the finale, in sort of the way that Enterprise season four’s various arcs built up to the initial overtures of building the Federation, rather than a single arc and ongoing threat. Leave some room for some missions to happen offscreen (maybe as Short Treks and novels and comics).
Character-wise, I can easily see Saru becoming an ambassador (Doug Jones seemed to be rooting for this idea). Grey getting a body seems an obvious ongoing arc, and that’s going to impact Adira, especially the idea of losing one of their Joined experiences - they may not be Trill, but Grey IS a part of Tal, and I’d like to see them try to better understand their place as a Joined being. Tilly getting a promotion (no matter her division color or position) seems almost mandatory at this point - I wasn’t against her as Acting First Officer, as she was basically doing the work of the role with Saru, but her being left in command did point out the flaws of leaving the Ensign in charge. She’s got some command experience now, and, frankly given her leading the staff of Discovery through Osyrra’s commandeering of the ship, I think that’s worth the extra pip. Further development of the command crew would be nice - Detmer had a good, if brief, arc about her PTSD, but that doesn’t just go away, Owo’s brush with death was solid, especially with the subversion of Discovery’s own character tropes, but I’d like to better get to know the others. Plus it now seems like Discovery is going to have 32nd century born officers on board, how do they fit in to the pre-established dynamics?
There really feels like a lot of wide open fields to head towards in season four, and I’m eager to see where they go.
Going off the talk of connections, how do we respond to a change in how we connect with one another? How do we rebuild those bridges, and can we proceed to make new ones, to fit the new experiences?
Ideally, I’d like to see this asked in a series of mini-arcs and a couple of standalones that connect thematically to build to the finale, in sort of the way that Enterprise season four’s various arcs built up to the initial overtures of building the Federation, rather than a single arc and ongoing threat. Leave some room for some missions to happen offscreen (maybe as Short Treks and novels and comics).
Character-wise, I can easily see Saru becoming an ambassador (Doug Jones seemed to be rooting for this idea). Grey getting a body seems an obvious ongoing arc, and that’s going to impact Adira, especially the idea of losing one of their Joined experiences - they may not be Trill, but Grey IS a part of Tal, and I’d like to see them try to better understand their place as a Joined being. Tilly getting a promotion (no matter her division color or position) seems almost mandatory at this point - I wasn’t against her as Acting First Officer, as she was basically doing the work of the role with Saru, but her being left in command did point out the flaws of leaving the Ensign in charge. She’s got some command experience now, and, frankly given her leading the staff of Discovery through Osyrra’s commandeering of the ship, I think that’s worth the extra pip. Further development of the command crew would be nice - Detmer had a good, if brief, arc about her PTSD, but that doesn’t just go away, Owo’s brush with death was solid, especially with the subversion of Discovery’s own character tropes, but I’d like to better get to know the others. Plus it now seems like Discovery is going to have 32nd century born officers on board, how do they fit in to the pre-established dynamics?
There really feels like a lot of wide open fields to head towards in season four, and I’m eager to see where they go.
I can't wait until they time travel to ancient Tiburon and Zora decides to do cruel medical experiments on the population.
Yeah... And she will always be crying and giving hugs.
She will wear a red cover next season. Maybe she will fly too!
It was the first time that a holodeck can read minds and know your past...
It don´t makes any sense!
How all the knowledge from Zora could be downloaded to four droids and later to just one of them? How much of space those old droids have in their hds (or something similar)? No, it isn´t plausible. Wrong scale for sure.
It´s another flaw in the show, a bad plot.
Eh, the droids are 32nd century droids. Apparently, computer storage in the 32nd century is immensely larger than we could even imagine, and perhaps tied to their dimensional transcendence of the century before. I have no problem believing that a measly droid of this era can hold all the knowledge of aeons that was a struggle for a 23rd century ship.
Regardless of the data storage issue and taking into account the events of season 2, the Emerald Chain shouldn't have even been able to mess with Discovery's operating system, not to mention "delete" or "turn off" the Sphere Data coding. It would have made more sense if the Sphere Data had locked the Emerald Chain out of the ship's system, IMHO.
Would have risked exposure .
More whispers, more tears.
Hopefully they trim the fat again. It was good to get rid of Ash, L'Rell and Georgiou for their own show. I wish they could have kept Nhan, but whatever. Keep Stamets and Culber, keep the bridge crew, keep Vance and have Kovich in some cameos. We can drop Gray, Adira and Jet Reno. Reno was so underused this season that I forgot about her. Oh, and at least have Aurellio be around for cameos.
Hopefully they trim the fat again. It was good to get rid of Ash, L'Rell and Georgiou for their own show. I wish they could have kept Nhan, but whatever. Keep Stamets and Culber, keep the bridge crew, keep Vance and have Kovich in some cameos. We can drop Gray, Adira and Jet Reno. Reno was so underused this season that I forgot about her. Oh, and at least have Aurellio be around for cameos.
And there it is.
They should really call those characters "Jimmy Tees".
There's always first time. That's how fiction works. Plus it's like 600 years beyond the last time we saw a holodeck, so of course it makes sense. You guys complain when the tech hasn't advanced and then complain when it does. PICK A LANE!
It looked like more than four to me. The little guys were getting blown up left and right.
. I don't think the last DOT standing held all of the sphere data.Jett only shows up when needed. She's more in line with Q or Lwaxana than Worf or Wes. Sadly COVID will limit Tig's ability to appear in DISCO as she's a cancer survivor and needs to play it safe.
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No kidding.There's always first time. That's how fiction work. Plus it's like 600 years beyond the last time we saw a holodeck, so of course it makes sense. You guys complain when the tech hasn't advanced and then complain when it does. PICK A LANE!
32nd century technology should have more than enough space to accommodate the data.
Michele Paradise can say whatever she wants. Right now, the continuity between DSC season 3 and Calypso does not line up. The ship no longer looks like it did in Calypso. The V’draysh are portrayed extremely differently from the Federation. The Federation isn’t at war with anyone. The Federation doesn’t have any interest in things from the ‘Long Ago.’ Etc., etc. And at this point, any attempts to try to ‘fit’ Calypso into the continuity will just be a contrived mess.
Continuity will become what ever Paradise wants it to be. Comes with the job.
I feel bad for her. She should take a less scrutinized position, like brain surgeon.
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