Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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Um no. Most of their money will be made merchandising this series for decades to come primarily in the U.S.
As for the Netflix numbers, the Public won't see them but CBS will because it will be part of the negotiations between CBS and Netflix over the costs, etc assuming there is a second season.
So you're the arbiter of who is and isn't a fan, based on their reactions to Discovery?
I think if there's one thing last night's premier showed us, it's that these two shows have completely different agendas. The Orville is good old-fashioned TV fun. It's intentionally sophomoric and easy to digest. You tune in, you watch, have a few laughs and move on.
Discovery seems to be trying to set itself as being the next pop culture craze. It doesn't just want to emulate Thrones; it wants to be the next Thrones.
Discovery seems to be trying to set itself as being the next pop culture craze. It doesn't just want to emulate Thrones; it wants to be the next Thrones.
I think TNG style with TOS characters? Maybe move Orville in mid-seasonid if the ratings fall?
No - ST: D is attempting to CONTNUE or REVITALIZE Star Trek as a 'pop culture craze' - and unless you've actually seen the Premiere it's a bit early to say exactly how it's trying to do that.
Star Trek has never been a pop culture craze. It became a staple niche over time, but it was never the thing that completely took over.
Looking at all the Klingon bling, I believe that is exactly what they are wanting it to be.
Wanting to and believing it possible are two different things. But, reading some of the Tweets from last night, I got the impression there are some involved who do believe it.
I take it you weren't alive yet during the late 1960ies and through the 1970ies as it was a pop culture craze for a time.
The quality of the products aside (i.e., let's say that are the same quality), DSC would be at the disadvantage because it is not on HBO.
I haven't seen DSC yet, but let's stipulate for the sake of argument that it is a good show with wide appeal. If it were on HBO and GoT was on CBSAA, then DSC would probably be a bigger hit in the U.S. than GoT, just because more people have HBO.
Having said that, I think the world access to DSC via Netflix will be very helpful to it.
Not sure I follow - what links the Klingons looking all blinged up to Game of Thrones?
I think you're down playing just how big of a cultural phenomenon Thrones was. There has be nothing else like it. Ever.
My point isn't that if DSC was good and on HBO that it would be just as big as GoT on HBO.
What I said was that if GoT was on CBSAA, it would be at a disadvantage to good shows on HBO -- simply because HBO has a much larger subscription base.
If Hamilton was only ever staged at a community theater in Peoria, then it most likely never would have achieved the success it did.
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HBO by itself is a huge paywall and a lot of people still subscribed just for GoT. In fact HBO Now streaming came about mainly because many people wanted to watch GoT but didn't want to subscribe to HBO. GoT almost single handedly created a streaming service.
If Discovery fails, I think it will have more to do with it being on CBS All Access than to The Orville. The show could fail to pull in enough new subscribers because of fans unwilling to pay for another streaming service, especially if they have some reservations about the show's new style. It might have been better to put the show on a regular network where they can get more viewers and with good ratings, be a commercial success.
Well, to be fair, I did catch someone say in here not too long ago 'I hope it (ST) dies a quick death and stays dead this time.'
That would be like me going in an avid Bruno Mars (or any other artist's) forum and saying 'I'm hoping his career dies a quick death and that he never, ever releases anything ever again... I'm a huge fan though!'
Seriously, wtf...??
I know everyone can express themselves the way they want to, and I've been loving this forum for 18 years as a member, but is it so hard to understand that I sometimes raise an eyebrow reading things like this..?
CBSAA is a long term play for CBS. I think they would be happy to take a short term loss (like Netflix does) to build the brand.
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