Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Jedi_Master, May 18, 2017.

  1. RedAlert

    RedAlert Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 8, 2016
    Well I wait every Thursday instead every Sunday ...if you know what I mean.

    I like them both, but Star Trek goes dark and grim ... and Orville goes simple and fun.

    I still watching Discovery, hoping that finally can fly.... but Orville has reach my heart very, very quickly.

    Orville 4 / Discovery 0
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  2. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Location, Location
    The acting on Discovery is first rate, IMO, and not one of the things wrong with it.
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  3. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Orville displays the episode title on screen, which I think most (if not all) the previous Trek series did too, but haven't seen that so far from Discovery. No big deal really, but it is kind of a minor tradition that I liked.
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  4. MPH

    MPH Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 15, 2001
    United Kingdom of Great Britain
    Not many shows do that anymore!
  5. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Fleet Captain

    Dec 2, 2016
    Phoenix Arizona
    I've been very Impressed with the acting, Maybe aside from Martin-Green's, the characters are yet a bit "stiff" but that usually takes a little time to settle in. Writers need to grow into the character a little as the actors do.

    We also haven't gotten to know too many characters well enough yet, which once we do, I think will help with perception about the acting.
  6. Pauln6

    Pauln6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, United Kingdom
    The Orville has a layer of knowing cheesiness along with the humour. It was interesting to see that in the first episode, they had a landing party consisting of one man and three women and an entirely gay species. What a fun dig to take at Star Trek's lamentable record in both regards in the opening scenes no less.

    There is an air of seventies camp about the Orville that is delightful but Discovery seems to be navigating territory that Enterprise should have trodden. The prequel should have been raw and exciting but it just felt too TNG in tone.

    Discovery had its own little dig at Trek tropes in episodes 1 and 2 about sending the captain and first officer on dangerous missions with no back up. I'm interested to see what other risks they'll take.

    You don't feel that the characters in Discovery are entitled to be right. They're just people fumbling in the dark and they may not be entitled to your sympathy. That's very refreshing.

    Both are proving that rumours of the demise of Star Trek as an ongoing concept were greatly exaggerated.
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  7. Brainsucker

    Brainsucker Captain Captain

    Dec 3, 2007
    South East Asia
    Wait, you dislike Discovery, and you make ID in this forum yesterday, and actively write about how bad Discovery is in here? (10/3/2017). Why?

    I start to think that what Lorca (the actor) said previously in a website was right, LOL.
  8. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Because misery loves company. See also, "hate watching."
  9. Starbreaker

    Starbreaker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Feb 19, 2001
    Birmingham, AL
    Have Russian bots taken over this thread?
  10. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 3, 2009
    Melbourne, Australia
    I just started watching The Orville. It's fun and nostalgic and has a brooklyn nine nine in space vibe to it which i like. It's dessert to Discovery's main meal, which is not a bad thing as dessert is awesome. I think they compliment each other in that they offer two different perspectives on science fiction both of which are equally valid. I don't see the need to choose one over the other.
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  11. SheliakBob

    SheliakBob Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 30, 2007
    Morgantown, Wv.
    I can't really compare them. I haven't seen enough Discovery to really judge it. Frankly, the way they've altered Klingons, one of my favorite aspects of Trek, is a deal breaker. The liberties they have taken with all manner of canonical matters irritates me, but perhaps not enough to keep me from watching the show--if I already had All Access. I'm not going to pay for it though. The paywall is another deal breaker.
    What I can say, without hesitation, is that The Orville entertains me and makes me happy. It's not "Trek" Trek, but it is Trek-like enough to function as SF methadone for my Trek craving. Not as much of a rush as The Good Stuff, but enough to dull the pain of withdrawal. Since 2009 Trek has been a source of constant irritation and significant personal pain for me. If your mileage has varied, I'm happy for you, you have something to enjoy that no longer works for me. To translate to troll-talk: The Orville is like a soothing cream for my Trek butt-hurt! :)
  12. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    astral plane
    Sorry, what?
  13. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 7, 2001
    On the run.
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  14. Wulfsa

    Wulfsa Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Feb 21, 2017
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  15. The Caped Crusader

    The Caped Crusader Ensign Newbie

    Oct 3, 2017
    I watched about 20 minute of Orville with my wife, turned it off. I enjoy the look, the sets, and some of the hopefullness that so many Star Trek fans want...but the humor is awful. I'm sorry, don't find much humor in a dog licking itself and then peopl commenting on it.
  16. norse_sage

    norse_sage Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Oct 4, 2012
    It would appear you went into the beginners trap.
    The emerging consensus seems to be that the Orville sucks in its pilot episode, which is filled with one liners that falls flat.
    But then, it suddenly kind of finds its stride in episode two.
    And people fall in love with it with episode 3, and that sentiment is only strengthened by episode four.

    Finish the last ten minutes of the pilot, and then give episodes two and three a go. Chances are good that like so many other who were ready to write it off after the first episode, you will change your mind.
  17. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

    Jul 11, 2017
    Orville really suffers from abruptly shifting tone, grasping for cheap jokes and having characters behave unnbelievably because the story (or punchline) needs them to. The ship sets manage to look both expensive and very cheap, and the way they're stealing so blatantly from the source material is distracting. And yet I'm probably enjoying it as much as I am Discovery.

    Both so far seem hugely derivative -- Discovery from TNG and Discovery from the more recent trends in genre programming. Let's hope they find their feet.
  18. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Location, Location
    And, some of us just loved it immediately because it's good. ;)

    Not Discovery, I mean the other show.
  19. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    Covington, Ky. USA
    The Orville is scratching an itch I have for classic sci-fi, Discovery just seems to be following the trend of making everything dark and gritty.
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  20. Paul Weaver

    Paul Weaver Rear Admiral Premium Member

    Apr 12, 1999
    Cheshire, UK
    Orville suffers from the fact it isn't actually broadcast anywhere, where discovery is available worldwide.
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