there are certainly people who take trek too seriously but there is a point to be made about the orville. you cant wave off gloryhole jokes. if there were glory hole jokes in star trek it would turn most fans off and rightfully so. you just expect some things from trek, and others from SM. Nothing wrong with that. but once you add jokes like that, and a crew that seems to get themselves into trouble by being idiots and only forest gumps their way out, there is no way that show will be taken as seriously, no matter how much you say "well it was only so little of the episode" now im not critisising. i like it this way. i like that trek is serious and this is silly. that "thimble" is kind of a defining aesthetic of that show.