Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Jedi_Master, May 18, 2017.

  1. marsh8472

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    I've been holding out. There is one thing that Star Trek Discovery has on Orville. I wanted to get an Orville Wall Calendar but couldn't find any. I was able to find one for Star Trek Discovery though. I got in contact with fox last week about it:

    they replied with this the next day

     
  2. BillJ

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    Probably too late for a 2018 calendar.
     
  3. Serveaux

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    Who gives a fuck about the supposed crew of the ship? That's reaching.

    I'm counting the speaking parts among the regular casts of the shows.

    I suppose I should count the woman in the Klingon Halloween mask, but is she a series regular or a recurring guest?
     
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  4. Fateor

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    On that note there's one thing the Orville has on Discovery, an art book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Making-O...qid=1509729183&sr=8-1&keywords=art+of+orville
     
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    Someone upthread brought this up and I wholeheartedly agree. There is a severe lack of starship porn in Discovery. How come a Star Trek parody understands nerds' love for awesome starships flying gracefully past the "camera"? There's never any proper exterior shots that lost more than three seconds. Come on, people.
     
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  8. Mechanoid1

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    Jury is still out about Discovery and the Orville. As far as blue aliens are concerned, I do like Retepsians over Andorians.
     
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  9. Satron

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    You'll never get those stains out.
     
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  10. Takeru

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    My opinion is pretty much the same as it was when both shows started, Discovery is modern Star Trek, Orville is 90s Star Trek

    Orville tickles TNG fans' nostalgia glands because it's pretty much TNG with new wallpaper and a bit more arguing.

    Discovery is actually ambitious and is reinventing Star Trek for a new era just like TNG did before. That isn't always easy (it certainly wasn't easy for TNG which many fans HATED when it started) and there's a bit of trial and error involved but it's necessary for the franchise's longterm survival.

    We all shouldn't forget that Voyager basically being TNG in the delta quadrant and Enterprise being TNG in the 22nd century helped killing Star Trek, by the 2000s it felt outdated.

    I'm pretty sure part of the reason The Orville is liked so much by many Star Trek fans is because it's Star Trek while not actually being Star Trek.
    If it was "Star Trek Orville" and Discovery wouldn't exist I'm convinced the majority of fans would complain that it's the same shit all over again, we've seen that, what's the point, we've been waiting 15 years for that, WTF? etc.
     
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  14. Cake

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    DIS has 6 main characters, among them 2 female characters. The Klingon woman is only a recurring guest star. And as there are tons of male guest stars, too, among them some prominent ones like Sarek, Mudd and Culber, the gender ratio stays crap. DIS is in this regard worse than a bunch of other current series and this after all the big diversity talk before the series started. My theory is that they overcompensated with being sexist after they decided to have a female lead. Of course that doesn't happen the other way around. When the lead of a series is male, he will be surrounded by a lot of male characters for sure.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure the makers were very conscious of making sure that not too many females got in the castlist after the conception of Burnham. Or whatever bad thing I can accuse them of because wah wah wah.

    Give me a break.
     
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  16. Cake

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    Yes, it is of course always only a coincidence when a Star Trek series or most other scifi series and movies are dominated by male characters. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. ichab

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    So true. I still remember TNG being attack for not having Kirk, Spock and McCoy, a bald captain etc.

    Winner! For me TNG was great for it's time, but I've seen it already. Biggest reason I was a niner fan was because Behr and company were trying to do something different while Voyager was repeating the same style and stories from TNG. You can only go to the well so many times before people tune out.
     
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  18. Satron

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    What is the relation to The Orville and Discovery where neither sex dominates anything?
     
  19. Serveaux

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    Pretty much none of that is near the target other than that Orville looks like TNG and Discovery tries hard to look like contemporary TV drama.

    I feel no nostalgia for 90s Trek and don't miss it, even a little bit.

    Discovery took one chance, which was changing the way things look. Other than that it panders to the existing fan base and offers little to new viewers...and there is no evidence that it's attracting many new viewers.
     
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  20. Serveaux

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    Absolutely Right.