Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretaker?

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Obviously your life trumps wikipedia, but wiki basically calls Executive Officers in the Army: Personal Assistants for Command rank officers. The difference between a naval situation with one commanding officer trapped in a ship or a boat, and an army base where there are dozens of command rank officers each with their own executive officers is a question of overlapping systems, sets and subsets.

 

[Use of Time]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Obviously your life trumps wikipedia, but wiki basically calls Executive Officers in the Army: Personal Assistants for Command rank officers. The difference between a naval situation with one commanding officer trapped in a ship or a boat, and an army base where there are dozens of command rank officers each with their own executive officers is a question of overlapping systems, sets and subsets.

While there were days that certainly felt like I was employed as a personal assistant, the basic duty description of an XO is pretty much standard across the military. Keep shit running so the CO can handle planning and decision making while avoiding the day to day tediousness of supervising everything. XO is essentially a chief of staff that handles logistics, training, maintenance and mission planning.

The military is hilariously convoluted at times. There are so many crazy scenarios that can play out where the XO is not the ranking officer. We actually had a Brigade Commander (Full Colonel) a Deputy Commanding Officer (Lt. Col) and an XO (Major). Hell, I was promoted to Captain while I was still an XO which left me and the Commander sharing the same rank. I still called him sir and stuff even though he was a professional toolbox. It gets tough to figure out sometimes so you basically just know your role and respect those in the positions appointed despite rank.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Well that's where it breaks down. People in Starfleet very, very rarely get promoted.

 

[Use of Time]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Especially on Voyager.

 

[Lance]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Who, you mean Commander Be-A-Jerk, Doctor Be-A-Jerk and Helmsman Be-A-Jerk?

I agree, the script does nothing to make any of them someone we'd particularly want to travel through seven seasons of television with. Which I suppose is the point, they want us to cheer when they all snuff it. They could have done slightly more to make us care about them, maybe...

I wonder if Janeway got to pick her crew, or whether they were chosen by someone at a Starbase somewhere flying a desk? We know Picard got to choose the Enterprise-D command crew himself, but that could mainly be because it was the flagship and Picard is The Man. Would a (relatively) tiny ship which is, in theory, only on a short range mission to pick up Chakotay and his ragtag bunch of misfits, have their command crew chosen by the Captain? Or would it be more like "Okay, you, you, and you are now all assigned to Voyager, hop to it"?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Stadi lives, Paris dies,

OR Paris doesn't die, but Stadi dies but then when they hit an alternate timeline Stadi is thrown onto Voyager from her "I lived" timeline and she is TRAPPED there forever and ever for the rest of the series amen.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

If Stadi had stayed, Suder would have murdered her for having fully functional telepathic powers.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

So we set this time line FRACTURE!!!1 when he's in the brig. Or dead.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

So Stadi would have been Tom's boss, or Tom would have gone to work in a different department... If Stadi was alive, Janeway wouldn't have needed Tom as Chief Helmsman, and he could have been an Ensign just like Harry.

It's also possible that Stadi being a completely different sort of telepath than Tuvok, might have triggered Kes into a cloud much earlierin her own timeline.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

and THEN she would warn them all, "hey the elf girl is gonna blow.."

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

...Or turn off her brain before she starts melting the ship.

Wouldn't she have sniffed out Seska too before her shenanigans got out of control?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Oooo.. well I dunno. It wasn't like you couldn't get anything past Troi, tons of stuff got past Troi. And maybe she would just assumed that the deceptive, sneaky vibe she got from Seska was because she was a Maquis.

 

[Lance]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

So Stadi would have been Tom's boss, or Tom would have gone to work in a different department...

He never seemed stuck for skills on his resume. If the Doctor didn't need him then I'm sure the janitorial staff would have been happy to have an extra pair of hands.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Star Ships clean themselves.

Troi was a half breed.

only an empath.

Full betazoids are telepaths.

Manhunt.

LWAXANA: Why are they still here?
RIKER: We thought that since you're going to the same conference, you might like to beam down with the other delegates.
LWAXANA: They're not delegates. Those two are assassins.
ANTEDEAN: That is an outrage! Lies! We demand you transport at once!
LWAXANA: Don't bother to deny it. Your minds are so unsophisticated I can read your thoughts in my sleep. Their robes are lined with ultritium, highly explosive, virtually undetectable by your transporter.
DATA: She is correct, sir. I am detecting large amounts of ultritium.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

I need drugs.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Ask any 15 year old child before they go to school in the morning.

You'll have what you need by 4pm.

 

[bbjeg]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

^Or at least know where to get some, sadly (oh, America).

So Stadi would have been Tom's boss, or Tom would have gone to work in a different department... If Stadi was alive, Janeway wouldn't have needed Tom as Chief Helmsman, and he could have been an Ensign just like Harry.

It's also possible that Stadi being a completely different sort of telepath than Tuvok, might have triggered Kes into a cloud much earlierin her own timeline.

I think Stadi would have recognized Tom's abilities (before B'elanna) and relieve her post to him. Plus, a crew lost in the Delta quadrant would do wonders on the telepath who has to fly the ship.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

On Major Crimes the other night, they introduced a baby faced 21 Jump ST Character referring to his job title as a Buy-Guy. Three times during the course of the show at the mention of his title, somebugger misunderstood what they heard to be "Bi(sexual)Guy".

It wasn't funny the first time.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Who, you mean Commander Be-A-Jerk, Doctor Be-A-Jerk and Helmsman Be-A-Jerk?

I agree, the script does nothing to make any of them someone we'd particularly want to travel through seven seasons of television with. Which I suppose is the point, they want us to cheer when they all snuff it. They could have done slightly more to make us care about them, maybe...

Hey, Lt Commander Cavitt has a very rich backstory, he comes from a long line of asshats. His great grandfather Commander Cornelius Cavitt personally told Captain James Kirk that he didn't trust Spock because he wasn't human. Then his father Jebediah Cavitt suggested to Bruce Maddox that because Data isn't really a person, he should be able to just experiment on him whenever he wants, and he personally delivered Maddox's request to Starfleet. And it was his distant ancestor Abraham Cavitt who started a movement on earth in the 22nd century to protest the founding of the Federation because Earth doesn't need aliens. His older brother Adam Cavitt personally wrote the order to take Lal away from Data, and also passionately argued to Starfleet that Odo couldn't be trusted as head of security on DS9 because he's a shapeshifter.

 

[Lynx]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

As for the Voyager crew, those who are interested can always visit the Crew List at the Kes website. Link below.