Did Sisko kill a turkey?

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  1. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Eddington once reminisced about the Thanksgiving dinner Sisko made for everyone using "all fresh ingredients." Since a traditional Thanksgiving dinner includes turkey (and ham, in my Southern family), does this mean Sisko killed a turkey (and possibly a pig)?
     
  2. Relayer1

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    No, you replicate raw turkey and pork, then cook it as opposed to replicating cooked turkey etc.
     
  3. at Quark's

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    It is an interesting question, though. From Lonely Among us:
    The "enslave animals for food purposes" probably would mean that any animal product would be replicated in order for this statement to be true, unless it actually came from an animal living in the wild, or outside of the Federation. That would also include stuff like milk, eggs, etc. So, for example, what is the exact origin of those "Owon eggs" Riker procured at Starbase 73 in Time Squared?
     
  4. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Commodore Commodore

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    Pretty sure there was a Owon Reserve on the planet Xheohett.
    They let the birds run free, but for :
    1. Population control of the birds they do sometimes harvest the eggs.
    2. As the planet Xheohett is not a Federation planet, they use the proceeds from the eggs and other animal type products for upkeep of the reserve.
    3. He also bought some steaks, T-bone, but he did not share those. :mad:

    (Yes, I made that up)
    It is canon in my head, :pso there.
     
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  5. Laura Cynthia Chambers

    Laura Cynthia Chambers Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe that was Riker's bluffing attempt to get the Anticans to not kill animals in the quarters, and thereby restore order on the ship.
     
  6. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I considered it, but then why did Sisko go to the trouble of growing the veggies? He was clearly aiming for a 'real' food experience.

    Riker did give a haughty "humans no longer..." Roddenberry speech, but those sorts of statements have been shown to not be universal before.

    The bunnicorn question also comes to mind from PIC: Nepenthe. They're not 'enslaved' but they were hunted for food.
     
  7. Relayer1

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    Because growing vegetables isn't barbaric ?
     
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  8. XCV330

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  9. Tenacity

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    Neither is killing livestock.
    Perhaps "we" meant those aboard Starfleet vessels.
     
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  10. Relayer1

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    Screw those little red #"*+'s ! :hugegrin:

    The implication is that it is in the future, particularly as replicator technology renders it unnecessary.
     
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    Saru mentioned that blueberries all taste the same as they have the same replicator recipe for them everywhere. Maybe they get better at it by the TNG era, but
    Soji stated that a real tomato tasted different than a replicated tomato
    . I imagine getting a turkey or pig out to DS9 for the Sisko to phaser would be pretty difficult to do. I'm guessing replicated meat.
     
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  12. Kor

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    The Sisko did indeed kill a turkey, and his name was Dukat! :p

    Kor
     
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  13. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Commodore Commodore

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    Do you actually think that killing livestock isn't rather barbaric?
    Are you fairly familiar with feed lots and slaughter houses?
    Do you find the restraint and sale of live dogs in places like China and Korea barbaric?

    Just curious.
    Personally I find it hilarious when I see someone flying off the handle about people eating dogs, or cats, or horses or rabbits, but they are fine with stuffing a .99 cent hamberger down their maw.
     
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  14. Sisko_is_my_captain

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    I can't speak to commercial slaughter, but I have seen enough of small scale family farms to feel comfortable saying it is quick and painless in that situation.

    I wonder if Bajorans have the same qualms about raising and killing livestock after a century of eating anything they could catch.
     
  15. kkt

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    When he said he used fresh ingredients, I'm going to take that as meaning not replicated, canned, frozen, etc.

    Grandpa taught Sisko all about cooking and I bet there's not a replicator in the restaurant somewhere.

    Maybe Sisko did not have turkey or pork on his menu for Thanksgiving.
    Or maybe he found someone on Bajor who raises turkeys and pigs and was happy to send freshly slaughtered ones up to the station for the Emissary's special holiday.
     
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  16. Imaus

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    I mean, it's Utopia Earth. What's going to stop someone from doing the same Sisko's dad did, but with animals or crops? Especially the South? Post WW3 south? I could see little gardens at home and little farmsteads popping up everywhere, buffing up a culture with a little survivalism mixed in with everything else. I can see a ban on massive animal farmlots, yes, but someone raising turkeys to eat isn't outside the imagination. And that's what I think Riker refers to: Slavery as in, 'we stuffed these animals from wall to wall/fence to fence and kept them in their own muck and they all ate out a trough until they went through the industrial factory to be killed and butchered', but free-range little scale farming wouldn't appear like that to him.
     
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  17. Roboturner913

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    My man was raised in New Orleans. I can promise, you, he wasn't using some substitute turkey. In the 24th century or any other century, NOLA is gonna keep it real
     
  18. Nakita Akita

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    Commercial slaughter houses are pretty bad.
    I didn't work in one but my brother did private investigation for the company inside one. He told me all about it. It was pretty bad.
    Like, this is well known, they have the cattle walk through a shite that turns different directions do that they can't see the animal in front of them getting killed, because being just stupid animals, they go simply mad (crazy) trying to get away and not be killed.
    I mean they are just such dumb animals.
    They use a heavy weight, that is shot from something similar to a gun, but instead of a bullet it is a heavy weight and used over and over, ( no blood) anyway it knocks the steer out, then he is hooked under his neck and lifted, by machine and his throat is slit.
    Sometimes however, the knockout shot doesn't completly knock him out, so he is hooked under the neck and pulled up, still awake. It's pandemonium to have a 2 ton animal hanging by its neck kicking and thrashing.
    Sometimes the animal regains consciousness after its throat has been slit too. Less pandemonium because he bleeds out pretty quickly.
    Feed lots are nasty, smelly disgusting areas filled with animal waste. It stinks for miles and miles around. The animals must stand in their own waste which, yes, I have seen this personally, one or two feet deep sometimes, admittedly this is a slog, of animal urine, fecal matter and mud, but still, animals are generally clean and would prefer to not have to stand it it.

    They are loaded onto trains/ trucks and taken to feed lots.
    Inside the trains and trucks they are often in one to three layers. So the animals on the upper leve, they are separated by heavy metal grid floors, are urunating and dedicating on the animals on the lowers level(s)
    Most animals come in from the range area and spend weeks to months in feed lots.

    Then they get respite at the slaughter house.
    And
    Then we get to eat our yummy 99 cent hamburger from McDonalds.:techman:
     
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  19. mlbach

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    All of MacDonald’s meat is from cattle slaughtered in facilities that follow guidelines set up by Temple Grandin. Not perfect, but way better than it used to be.
    What needs to change is how we feed and finish cattle. Cattle aren’t meant to eat grain—they can and should be fed only forage.
     
  20. Jayson1

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    Little did people know that Thanksgiving Sisko found away to cook Vols just right and then added a little turkey seasoning and presto a meal fit for a king.


    Jason
     
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