Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

[fireproof78]

But they didn't want a TNG reunion at first, only to go for that in the 3rd season anyway.

I think a lot of things in the market changed to support their change of direction. One, a bigger push for more TNG era content. Two, having Stewart onboard with doing more Picard related content eventually shifted to having more TNG related content due to the positive reception of Riker and Troi in Season 1. And finally, realizing that it's just damn fun.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Babylon 5?

It was supposedly his answer to Deep Space Nine.

Reversed. JMS had been working on developing B5 since the 80’s. He shopped it around everywhere and Paramount took notice. As he was getting rolling, DS9 popped up before he was able to deploy his pilot. Deeper pockets and an existing infrastructure for show development put DS9 in the lead.

 

[Yistaan]

Reversed. JMS had been working on developing B5 since the 80’s. He shopped it around everywhere and Paramount took notice. As he was getting rolling, DS9 popped up before he was able to deploy his pilot.

I believe Rick Berman actually took the time to respond to the Babylon 5 plagiarism and say on record that he never heard of JMS, never heard of his work or his outlines, etc. while developing DS9. So now I don't know what to believe.

EDIT: Never mind, apparently JMS said in the link Berman wouldnt' have known

 

[Sci]

While I understand JMS might feel some resentment, the idea that Deep Space Nine is derivative of Babylon 5 just does not hold up to scrutiny. Especially when you consider that the similarities are all of the sort that you can reasonably expect from two different sets of creators who are both marinating in the same cultural zeitgeist of the late 1980s/early 1990s United States pop culture, and both reacting to (and trying to set themselves apart from) the 800-lbs gorilla that was The Next Generation.

 

[Ovation]

While I understand JMS might feel some resentment, the idea that Deep Space Nine is derivative of Babylon 5 just does not hold up to scrutiny. Especially when you consider that the similarities are all of the sort that you can reasonably expect from two different sets of creators who are both marinating in the same cultural zeitgeist of the late 1980s/early 1990s United States pop culture, and both reacting to (and trying to set themselves apart from) the 800-lbs gorilla that was The Next Generation.

Not to mention similar movies released closely together (Armageddon and Deep Impact; Dante’s Peak and Volcano; there are others). In these cases, the lead-in time for production makes it pretty close to impossible for one to be “stealing” from the other. The zeitgeist is more influential than out and out copying in those things.

 

[The Wormhole]

As well as Evan Evagora, who played Elnor... who now holds the record for most underused main character in the franchise.

(Mayweather, in my opinion, wore that crown previously.)

No, sorry, but Elnor has much more presence than Mayweather.

 

[firehawk12]

Babylon 5?


It was supposedly his answer to Deep Space Nine.

Actually, this was after Enterprise, during the period where everyone seemed to be making Star Trek pitches:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/jms-and-bryce-zabels-2004-star-trek-reboot-proposal.232616/

 

[MrSpot]

To address the title of this thread, after seeing episode 2 it seems that the ship is now listing slightly to port .......

(the writing was weaker than episode 1 and there's now two new and extremely annoying characters: Jack Crusher and the cackling, maniacal witch that is Vadic). And let's not forget Raffi's tedious adventures (although Worf will hopefully liven up her scenes in future episodes).

 

[Agony_Boothb]

How does the Short Trek "Calypso" line up with canon?

If they wanted to explain it they could just do the following: The Discovery seen in Calypso is a temporal duplicate created by the ship traversing the wormhole to the future. On the calypso Discovery, the crew died in transit and Discovery was stranded in a nebula. Over time the ship's computer and the sphere data merge to form Zora, she disposes of the bodies and formats her own memory out of grief so she doesn't remember. Zora remains in the nebula. Meanwhile, because Discovery never encounters the Federation, it continues down it's isolationist path, eventually becoming signatories to the Emerald chain and absorbed by it leading to the creation of the V'draysh who become tyrannical. This is why in a thousand years hence, Crafts people is at war with the V'draysh.

Easy.

 

[Ovation]

If they wanted to explain it they could just do the following: The Discovery seen in Calypso is a temporal duplicate created by the ship traversing the wormhole to the future. On the calypso Discovery, the crew died in transit and Discovery was stranded in a nebula. Over time the ship's computer and the sphere data merge to form Zora, she disposes of the bodies and formats her own memory out of grief so she doesn't remember. Zora remains in the nebula. Meanwhile, because Discovery never encounters the Federation, it continues down it's isolationist path, eventually becoming signatories to the Emerald chain and absorbed by it leading to the creation of the V'draysh who become tyrannical. This is why in a thousand years hence, Crafts people is at war with the V'draysh.

Easy.

Interesting. Or, canon has no requirement of consistency. It’s not synonymous with continuity. Either works—though yours is more entertaining.

 

[Anduinel]

Yeah, this is like wondering what a JMS version of Star Trek might have looked like...

Not so dissimilar from what the Kelvin-verse turned out to be, in concept at least.

Star Trek: Re-Boot the Universe was a fourteen-page treatment detailing an ultimately undeveloped concept for a five-year-long Star Trek television series. The document was written by Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski and Dark Skies creator Bryce Zabel in 2004. It was a concept that they never had a chance to submit to Paramount Pictures, because the studio announced that J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot Productions already had plans to reboot the Star Trek universe, in forthcoming film Star Trek.

Zabel and Straczynski began discussing the concept while collaborating on a network pitch for a limited series called Cult. "We started talking about the state of the Trek universe," recalled Zabel. "Before we could stop ourselves, we banged out a fourteen-page treatment [....] I seem to recall having lunch at Art's Deli and our conversation veering off into the Trek situation. The take we came up with included using the original characters, but not as young officers at Starfleet Academy. We wanted to do what they would do in the world of comics: create a separate universe for all the past TV and film Trek continuity in order to free ourselves creatively so we could embrace the good stuff, banish the bad, and try some new things. In our reboot we wanted to start over, use Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and others in a powerful new origin story about what it was that bonded them in such strong friendship and show them off as you'd never seen them before. It was, admittedly, pretty audacious."

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's one of my favorite little Trek "what-ifs?"

 

[James Cole]

Funny enough, the website "Junkee" has just published their season 3 review... and its called "Season 3 Of ‘Picard’ Rights The Ship". The review includes comments from Terry Matalas, Stephen Barton, and Todd Stashwick.

 

[Sim]

Guess I'm somewhere in the middle, I really liked season 1, despite some minor issues. Data's farewell was so absolutely stellar, imo, that it easily makes up for any other issues I might have with that season.

And I even enjoyed season 2, although I admit that the writing was absolutely terrible from episode 4 or 5 on and they totally messed up the arc. But again, many really great character moments made up for it. Just like I even enjoyed the badly written TNG and especially DS9 episodes, when they at least had witty character interactions or moments, PIC season 2 didn't entirely feel like wasted time, to me. Especially Picard's farewell to Guinan and Q felt very right to me.

So ... season 3 "righting the ship" means for me that they won't waste as many great opportunities as especially in season 2, and manage to not only present wonderful character moments, but also write a good, convincing season arc. Obviously, it's too early to tell, but I liked the first two episodes (they are total nostalgia-begging fan-service, but hey, I'm a fan, so who am I to complain?) and am confident they'll at least get the character moment business right, even if it might turn out they still don't know how to write an arc.

 

[Captain B.84]

What is there to right? Let the storytellers tell you the story... and enjoy the ride. Fanatics often have ideas of what should be instead of what it is. If you enjoy the series, be glad. If you don't hey you gave it a shot and move on.

If you really are fanatically against it, be a producer, and storyteller, and go work at Paramount for that Star Trek team and THEN you can finally have it as you told in your mind (sarcasm)

 

[fireproof78]

Fanatics often have ideas of what should be instead of what it is. If you enjoy the series, be glad. If you don't hey you gave it a shot and move on.

Wisdom right here!

 

[Mudd]

What is there to right?

A lot of wasted time and talent.

 

[Captain B.84]

A lot of wasted time and talent.

Pitch your story and storylines, and have it produce? The end of wasted time and talent.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pitch your story and storylines, and have it produce? The end of wasted time and talent.

He has.

 

[Captain B.84]

He has.

Pardon my lack of knowledge but was it accepted and produced? Or rejected for something else.

If it’s the latter you’re stuff are just probably too good (sarcasm again)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pardon my lack of knowledge but was it accepted and produced? Or rejected for something else.

If it’s the latter you’re stuff are just probably too good (sarcasm again)

He co-wrote TNG's "Tin Man" and "First Contact". He's also involved with fan films. I don't often agree with him on current Trek, but I respect his opinion.