Have you seen Guardians 4, it is also one of the better Marvel movie
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Have you seen Guardians 4, it is also one of the better Marvel movie
I don't see Deadpool ushering in a new MCU renaissance as such as it is a separate movie and does its own thing. Him shitting on Marvel, DC and the genre in general is the movie's shtick ( and it does it very well) but the character is not truly embedded in the MCU and i don't see that happening anytime soon. It'll be a giant success, of that i'm sure, but it'll do little to get the MCU out of its creative problems.
I am far more curious about the upcoming proper MCU movies like Thunderbolts. Cap America and Fantastic Four - they will show if the MCU is dead beyond saving. They're even bringing back actual Marvel Jesus aka Robert Downey Jr. to play Dr. Doom, a very bold move if a tad sad that they have to go back to the well to save their franchise ( hopefully).
Hugh was the one who called them and asked to be in it, they didn't bring him back, he brought himself back, he wanted to do a Deadpool/Wolverine movie since the moment he saw DP1. He said was kicking himself in the ass because he had recently announced he was done playing the character.
As they tell the story, Hugh literally called a few hours before Ryan had a meeting with Marvel for Deadpool 3, so Ryan and Shawn Levy had quickly come up with a new pitch on the spot.
They had no idea until the moment Hugh called that he wanted to come back. There was no dumping a truck of money at his feet to get him to 'unretire' as the character, it was entirely his decision. Heck apparently Kevin Feige tried to talk Hugh out of coming back.
So no, it wasn't a 'gutless' decision from the studio.
I think that it was always planned to bring Downey back in some way, it's the Multiverse after all, they just expanded his role after they decided to push Kang to the side.
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Although I agree there was nothing gutless about Hugh coming back.....
I have to say it all sounds so picture perfect; Hugh regretting his decision because of DP1, him calling them.... It could very well be true, it could also be a great marketing gimmick. But I am way too cynical for a 42 year old so it might just be that.
Because I don't know what that is?
It's really just a thing he started getting after he was in Mission Impossible. His character did this thing where he'd cock his arms before a fight like gun chambers loading bullets
Ah. Thank you. I saw that movie too, but don't really remember that even being a thing when I watched it.
There was a Guardians 4?
I found it mostly enjoyable. The pacing is a bit weird at the start: the Happy Hogan scene goes on way too long and isn't funny. Once you get to the Logan-recruitment montage it gets more fun. Hugh Jackman did a very good job creating a new version of Wolverine and not just playing the hits. I appreciated that the story wasn't "Deadpol joins the MCU, fuck Fox!" but rather "Deadpool rejects an offer to join the MCU and saves the Fox universe!" Though they kind of have their cake and eat it with the Thor bit. The emotional stuff with Logan was pretty good and the ending worked pretty well. The montage of Fox behind the scene clips over the end credits was a great idea and quite touching.
The humour was a huge mixed bag for me because the constant "ANAL SEX AND BLOWJOBS LOL" stuff isn't really funny to me. But it got a lot of laughs from everyone else in the cinema so I can't say it didn't work. The fourth wall break stuff was funnier and quite clever at times: I liked the Chris Evans character reveal, Wesley Snipes just being there at all and Elektra not caring that Daredevil was dead. Nicepool's fourth wall break was probably the bit that gave me the best laugh. The line about Jackman having to do this until he's 90 too. I didn't really find the dog funny at all?
The car fight was good and the Deadpool Corps bit was fun, but the fight with the good guy group against Nova's group was hard to follow shaky cam nonsense. Was pretty disappointed Laura barely got any action: she gets one quick bit where she kills Jugganaut and that's it. For all its faults The Acolyte gave Dafne Keen a far better action scene.
Emma Corrin was very good. Nova gets a good non-jokey scene with Wolverine, but her death was pretty lame. Didn't really like Paradox at all: the performance was too silly and they should have hit the "he wants to kill the Fox universe because he's sick of watching it" nastiness note harder.
This isn't some huge game changer for Marvel at all, but it is going to make them a lot of money and encourage them to do a ton more movies where any character can just appear dead or alive and do wacky shit and I guess some of them will be fun at least like this mostly was.
The humour was a huge mixed bag for me because the constant "ANAL SEX AND BLOWJOBS LOL" stuff isn't really funny to me. But it got a lot of laughs from everyone else in the cinema so I can't say it didn't work. The fourth wall break stuff was funnier and quite clever at times: I liked the Chris Evans character reveal, Wesley Snipes just being there at all and Elektra not caring that Daredevil was dead. Nicepool's fourth wall break was probably the bit that gave me the best laugh. The line about Jackman having to do this until he's 90 too. I didn't really find the dog funny at all?
The car fight was good and the Deadpool Corps bit was fun, but the fight with the good guy group against Nova's group was hard to follow shaky cam nonsense. Was pretty disappointed Laura barely got any action: she gets one quick bit where she kills Jugganaut and that's it. For all its faults The Acolyte gave Dafne Keen a far better action scene.
Emma Corrin was very good. Nova gets a good non-jokey scene with Wolverine, but her death was pretty lame. Didn't really like Paradox at all: the performance was too silly and they should have hit the "he wants to kill the Fox universe because he's sick of watching it" nastiness note harder.
This isn't some huge game changer for Marvel at all, but it is going to make them a lot of money and encourage them to do a ton more movies where any character can just appear dead or alive and do wacky shit and I guess some of them will be fun at least like this mostly was.
Not yet
I know it is unbelievable but I made a little mistake
I'm not blaming you for anything. I just thought I missed something considering I really don't follow much of the MCU anymore.
That's stretching it i believe. I don't believe RDJ was planned to be brought back, Marvel is simply desperate to turn the MCU around and RDJ is a very safe choice. He doesn't "need" the MCU anymore as he maybe did in the beginning because the MCU has made him an A Lister and he doesn't audition anymore but is choosing his projects.
He's also insanely expensive as he can carry movies by himself now so why would Marvel bring him back if they don't need him to save their franchise? To me it looks rather like Feige coming to RDJ's house hat in hand, admitting they fucked up but they have this cool idea to bring him back to the family.
RDJ seemed really fond of his time with Marvel , so why not play one of the most interesting and complex characters Marvel has? It must have been a brilliant pitch to him and i'm sure the financials were equally impressive.
My two thoughts. One, it's going to be financially lucrative for RDJ. Two, I think it's going to be mainly voice work, with another actor in the suit for most scenes. ISTR RDJ spent a week on set for Spider-Man: Homecoming, and I'd expect similar for him for Avengers 5 and 6.
People couldn't stop commenting on it.
"He's reloading his arms!!"
Getting back on topic.....
"Like a Prayer" has dethroned "Just Call Me Angel" IMO
It's not stretching at all. It's always been the very obvious endgame of a multiverse saga that culminates in an adaptation of Secret Wars. If they weren't looking to make a movie absolutely filled with cameos, references, variants and triumphant returns of popular actors/getting various popular characters who never got to meet each other in the same scene, then they wouldn't have gone down the multiverse saga/Secret Wars road in the first place. That stuff is literally what Secret Wars is.
There's never been any guarantee of any one actor actually saying yes, but you can be damn sure that every major actor who's ever starred in a Marvel movie were on MS's hypothetical wishlist for that final movie, if not for another one earlier in the saga. And while some of those actors might not get asked because enough people higher up the list said yes, Downey and Evans were always going to be the at the very top of that list.
Downey also did not need to cost them that much money. They could easily afford to pay his rates for a day or two of shooting for a minor, but impactful cameo and there's plenty of reason to believe that would've been the initial idea. This is a pivot, obviously, because it's suddenly a massive role that is going to cost them a lot more than a hypothetical day or two of shooting and because casting him as Doom is definitely out of left field. But he was always going to be asked back one way or another. That much has been very clear since Secret Wars was announced.
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Cameos are one thing and i fully expected this to happen in some form or the other. As you said a few days of shooting if that and bag a million or two and get together with friends as an added bonus. That was always in the cards, however casting a new Thanos/Kang level villain with a very popular MCU veteran is a break glass in case of emergency level event. As good as Marvel was in planning out the entire Infinity Stones Saga and smoothing over some inevitable hickups over the course of 22 movies i simply don't believe they had RDJ in mind for Doom all along.
There's a ton of brilliant actors who could have brought the necessary skills and name to the role, who haven't yet starred in the MCU ( though the list is getting smaller each year) so pulling him out of MCU retirement at this point can be nothing but Feige saying "Please help us save the MCU".
I have nothing against the casting itself, it's an awesome idea and i'm looking forward to see all the implications this brings once RDJ's face meets old Stark friends like Banner, Sam Wilson or maybe Thor ( Marvel would be stupid not to milk this for all its worth) but right now they are scrambling to save what's possible with the Multiverse Saga that's been run into the ground because Marvel has lost its touch for a good while and had the misfortune to be associated with a convicted domestic violence offender in Jonathan Majors playing the central villain.
The more and more I think about it, and reading the insights others have brought to it....
I'm down with it. It's an interesting twist, and as @Grendelsbayne pointed it out, it might end up being nothing more than a cameo. Like a certain actor from a different franchise in Deadpool and Wolverine. A cameo as Doom in FF and than a completely different actor for Doomsday.
If it is a bigger role..... As @Christopher has pointed out, RDJ is a very talented and faceted actor. IF this is basically just suit and mask and voice work, he would make quite an interesting Doom.
What I find rather odd, is that so far, we've heard nothing from the man himself. One would expect a interview with somewhere by now. Perhaps after or during D23, he'll talk about his return to the MCU.
I'm down with it. It's an interesting twist, and as @Grendelsbayne pointed it out, it might end up being nothing more than a cameo. Like a certain actor from a different franchise in Deadpool and Wolverine. A cameo as Doom in FF and than a completely different actor for Doomsday.
If it is a bigger role..... As @Christopher has pointed out, RDJ is a very talented and faceted actor. IF this is basically just suit and mask and voice work, he would make quite an interesting Doom.
What I find rather odd, is that so far, we've heard nothing from the man himself. One would expect a interview with somewhere by now. Perhaps after or during D23, he'll talk about his return to the MCU.
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