Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[Christopher]

No, the expert from 2017 Central City was Stein's daughter. No indication that they went to anyone else.

The indication, as I said, is that they had photos of all the known speedsters taped up, including Jesse Quick, who isn't even from this universe. Lily Stein could not have been the source of that information. Maybe Gideon had the data (including data from Earth-2 somehow), but then, why print it out as photos instead of just putting it onscreen? The existence of those photos implies to me that, while they were in present-day Central City, one of them took the opportunity to drop by STAR Labs and pick their brains about speedsters, and that's where they got the photos.

I mean, it's simple logic. They need information about speedsters and they're in present-day Central City. Why wouldn't they contact Team Flash? They'd have to be a bunch of idiots not to. Okay, debatably they are a bunch of idiots, but not that big a bunch of idiots.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If they'd done that, the show would have indicated it. You're reading something into it that isn't there and isn't meant to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh!!!!

Do Gideon and Gideon handshake whenever they occupy the same year?

Is the timevault constantly monitoring Team Flash?

Thawn didn't fix or erase programing inside Gideon where it will do anything Barry says.

Oh.

With a word if the time masters still had a fleet, Barry could stop it dead with a Word, if he left a back door in the ships software they never sealed up.

Sara and martin are both Team flash.

They are only a couple months out of date.

 

[Commander Richard]

I was surprised that they'd show a guy getting stabbed and dying on the news.

 

[Christopher]

If they'd done that, the show would have indicated it.

As I said, they implied it by showing the photos. It's called subtext. I don't understand your hostility to the possibility.

Heck, maybe there was a scripted line saying they contacted STAR Labs, but they had to cut it out for time. That happens all the time in film and TV. Tons of stuff that's intended to be there has to be left out of the final cut and left implicit.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Loved the baddie narration at the beginning.

Yeah, this LoD is a bit overwhelmingly white and male. But then, that's part of what makes them the bad guys.

I think diversity is good but talk like that is part of the reason why Trump is in the White House.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Yep. Especially given that they're all walking 'aberrations' with memories of multiple timelines.

This is something that really bugs me about this show and The Flash. If the writers view is it's all in fun, time travel rules do not matter - Stick with that! Some of us will except the show for what it is and still enjoy it. While other viewers will not be able to except it. Which is fine.

The problem is the writers want to have it both ways. They have no consistency or rules how time travel works. But they also have their characters having debates about the morality and proper use of time travel. All of which comes off meaningless and forced when the shows are inconsistent on how it even works.

 

[Christopher]

Loved the baddie narration at the beginning.

I felt it would've made more sense for Malcolm to be the narrator rather than Damien. Malcolm's the Big Bad who's been around the longest, so "My name is Malcolm Merlyn" is a good parallel to "My name is Oliver Queen." And of the three, he's the most relatable one, the most rational and sympathetic one, so he makes more sense to me as the viewpoint character for the audience.

 

[dahj]

I think they did, off-camera. That's how they got the photos of all the speedsters that they taped to the glass Person of Interest-style.

They mentioned that Thawne wasn't in the "Time Master's files", so I presumed that's where they got the info on speedsters from. It's hard to think that they'd visited Barry and he omitted giving them info on Eobard.

It did seem weird to me at first that they didn't just ask Barry, but I guess from their point of view they know this guy's from the future, so maybe Barry hasn't fought him yet and they didn't want to influence Barry's future and cause an aberration that way.

Loved the baddie narration at the beginning.

I'm still waiting for Mick to do the intro...

 

[Romulan_spy]

I'm still waiting for Mick to do the intro...

I get the impression it would be pretty short. "We're idiots screwing around with time. I need a beer. " LOL

 

[Christopher]

They mentioned that Thawne wasn't in the "Time Master's files", so I presumed that's where they got the info on speedsters from.

Again, though, why print them out as photos and tape them on the glass, instead of just showing them on a screen?

It's hard to think that they'd visited Barry and he omitted giving them info on Eobard.

It's even harder to think that they wouldn't contact him, given that they were in Central City and had a question about speedsters. And again, maybe they spoke to Cisco or someone instead of Barry. He's told the others what their lives were like in Flashpoint, but I'm not sure he's told them he let Thawne go.

It did seem weird to me at first that they didn't just ask Barry, but I guess from their point of view they know this guy's from the future, so maybe Barry hasn't fought him yet and they didn't want to influence Barry's future and cause an aberration that way.

Maybe.

 

[Romulan_spy]

They mentioned that Thawne wasn't in the "Time Master's files", so I presumed that's where they got the info on speedsters from. It's hard to think that they'd visited Barry and he omitted giving them info on Eobard.

It did seem weird to me at first that they didn't just ask Barry, but I guess from their point of view they know this guy's from the future, so maybe Barry hasn't fought him yet and they didn't want to influence Barry's future and cause an aberration that way.

Yes, the legends should have talked to Barry. I just chalk it up to the show wanting to focus on itself and not be too "crossover"y.

 

[dahj]

Again, though, why print them out as photos and tape them on the glass, instead of just showing them on a screen?

I didn't find that unusual, but then on the wall next to me there's a cork board filled with photos and notes that's in serious need of pruning so I may be the wrong person to ask

Productionwise, it was probably cheaper and faster than creating graphics for it...

 

[Christopher]

Yes, the legends should have talked to Barry. I just chalk it up to the show wanting to focus on itself and not be too "crossover"y.

This is a show whose big bads this year are two Arrow villains and a Flash villain, all three of whose motivations are driven by events in their respective shows. It couldn't get any more crossovery.

Besides, a quick "Okay, here are all the speedsters the folks at STAR Labs know about" would've been no more intrusive than the bits in last week's Arrow where they talked about calling Cisco to find out about Black Siren and get the power-damping tech. Or the bit in The Flash where Vibe and Gypsy teleported into James's office at CatCo and frightened Miss Tessmacher. These shows fully embrace casual crossoveriness, every bit as much as the comics they're based on.

 

[Gryffindorian]

This was one of the better episodes of the season, focusing on the three villains, with Damien Dahrk and Malcolm Merlyn trying to assert equal status with Eobard Thawne, and not simply be a couple of henchmen. What I didn't get was how the three of them managed to trap the Black Flash inside a bank vault. If he's a powerful entity, shouldn't he be able to open portals and cross dimensions? He is after all part of the Speed Force, so holding him in an enclosed space is like putting Nightcrawler inside a cage and expecting him to stay in there.

 

[Christopher]

This was one of the better episodes of the season, focusing on the three villains, with Damien Dahrk and Malcolm Merlyn trying to assert equal status with Eobard Thawne, and not simply be a couple of henchmen. What I didn't get was how the three of them managed to trap the Black Flash inside a bank vault. If he's a powerful entity, shouldn't he be able to open portals and cross dimensions? He is after all part of the Speed Force, so holding him in an enclosed space is like putting Nightcrawler inside a cage and expecting him to stay in there.

Except that speedsters' dimension-crossing and time-traveling abilities are a function of running really fast, and the vault was too small to allow running (and apparently had some kind of force barrier that prevented phasing, or else Thawne could've gotten out). Maybe Black Flash could've run in a circle fast enough to reach portal velocity, but it wouldn't have been easy in that confined space, and BF seems to be a creature of instinct rather than a thinker. Remember, it's basically the corpse of Hunter Zolomon/Zoom zombified (zoombified?) by the Speed Force. It couldn't even see Thawne standing right in front of it, only sense the presence of the Speed Force. So presumably it would've had trouble looking around and thinking "Okay, I'm confined in a small, enclosed chamber, so I need to run in a circle until I can portal out." Its animalistic reactions would've led to a more brute-force response that would've taken longer to succeed.


By the way, given that they were in Zurich 8 years in the future, I found myself hoping that the Justice League Europe would show up in response to the bank alarm. Would've been a neat little glimpse of the future.

 

[Romulan_spy]

What I didn't get was how the three of them managed to trap the Black Flash inside a bank vault. If he's a powerful entity, shouldn't he be able to open portals and cross dimensions? He is after all part of the Speed Force, so holding him in an enclosed space is like putting Nightcrawler inside a cage and expecting him to stay in there.

Well, they specifically mentioned that it would be temporary. So they knew it would not hold the Black Flash for long.

 

[Beagleman]

Loved this one. The bickering Doomsies, hippy Hunter, and that thing that was hunting Eobard is pretty creepy!

 

[Christopher]

Just think... if "Phil" (not-Rip) hadn't given Malcolm and Damien that pep talk, they probably would've killed each other and Thawne would've been deprived of his support team. Instead, the Legion is now more united and a bigger threat than ever. Way to go, "Phil."

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It's been nice since they've dropped some of the angst angles and now we have a bunch of lovable characters, even the villains. I don't know if that's the best for the sake of the drama but it makes for easy comfort viewing.