This looked more like of a cameo rather than a setup for something more, so I don't think we'll be seeing him anymore on LoT.
Probably won't see his origin anywhere.
Conclusion likely on the season finale of Arrow.
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This looked more like of a cameo rather than a setup for something more, so I don't think we'll be seeing him anymore on LoT.
Probably won't see his origin anywhere.
Conclusion likely on the season finale of Arrow.
But before he was Dum Dum Dugan, he was Bruce Banner...
His future is as Doctor Rampart, alongside his mentor Captain Terrel. We ALL know this.
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Yep. I decided, long ago, to stop trying to make sense of any time travel "rules" and simply accept whatever the storyteller has laid out. Much better on the blood pressure.
"My advice in making sense of temporal paradoxes is simple: Don't even try.." - Kathryn Janeway
Anyone who wants to see a logically plotted time travel story, I invite you to go watch 'Primer'. But be sure to bring an alarm clock and some smelling salts as if you're anything like me, you'll fall asleep from sheer boredom in ten minutes flat.
Really now, time travel in the context of a story telling device is a pure *fantasy* concept, so anyone complaining about scientific inaccuracies are just being pretentious.
All that really matters is that the story teller establishes their take on the "rules" of time travel and sticks to them as best they can.
Bottom line: I'll take dumb and entertaining over too-clever-for-it's-own-good and dull any day.
Really now, time travel in the context of a story telling device is a pure *fantasy* concept, so anyone complaining about scientific inaccuracies are just being pretentious.
All that really matters is that the story teller establishes their take on the "rules" of time travel and sticks to them as best they can.
Bottom line: I'll take dumb and entertaining over too-clever-for-it's-own-good and dull any day.
Raise your hand if all this talk of time travel rules and people meeting themselves makes you think of Superman and Superboy flying into each other at full speed to knock themselves back to their proper time periods.
I mercifully seem to have missed that one.
You mean like in Freaky Friday?
Wouldn't it be funny if that was the head trauma which tilted Lindsay Lohan's sanity off course.
Wouldn't it be funny if that was the head trauma which tilted Lindsay Lohan's sanity off course.
Ah, it was a classic:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superboy_Vol_1_47
The Super-Team Family reprint was how I read it. The concept was revisited at least once, in the second issue of DC Comics Presents, IIRC...Superman and the Flash were in a race to the end of time...Superman gets stuck in the 30th century because Superboy is visiting.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superboy_Vol_1_47
The Super-Team Family reprint was how I read it. The concept was revisited at least once, in the second issue of DC Comics Presents, IIRC...Superman and the Flash were in a race to the end of time...Superman gets stuck in the 30th century because Superboy is visiting.
Well, I read it, and it's laid out like it could be a dream.
Which is cheating.
Which is cheating.
Further thoughts on a rewatch of episode 2:
I love how Victor Garber pulled out a bit of the ol' Jack Bristow from Alias to intimidate the guard into letting them into the auction. Not sure how much sense it makes for Professor Stein, but it was nicely meta. (Honestly I came to loathe Jack as a character in the later seasons of Alias, but I always found Garber's acting impressive.)
Alpha particles were not "unknown in the '70s." Ernest Rutherford and Paul Villard isolated alpha, beta, and gamma rays in 1899-1900. They're also not all that trackable, since they're easily blocked by a fairly thin amount of material. As long as the piece of Ray's suit was indoors, it probably wouldn't be detectable. They should've coined some other, fictitious name for the radiation the suit gave off.
Why is Savage so impatient, giving his people only 24 hours to reverse-engineer the tech? He's an immortal. He should be fine with the process taking years if necessary, which it probably would. And he should be experienced enough to know that you can't just force a scientific epiphany.
I love how Victor Garber pulled out a bit of the ol' Jack Bristow from Alias to intimidate the guard into letting them into the auction. Not sure how much sense it makes for Professor Stein, but it was nicely meta. (Honestly I came to loathe Jack as a character in the later seasons of Alias, but I always found Garber's acting impressive.)
Alpha particles were not "unknown in the '70s." Ernest Rutherford and Paul Villard isolated alpha, beta, and gamma rays in 1899-1900. They're also not all that trackable, since they're easily blocked by a fairly thin amount of material. As long as the piece of Ray's suit was indoors, it probably wouldn't be detectable. They should've coined some other, fictitious name for the radiation the suit gave off.
Why is Savage so impatient, giving his people only 24 hours to reverse-engineer the tech? He's an immortal. He should be fine with the process taking years if necessary, which it probably would. And he should be experienced enough to know that you can't just force a scientific epiphany.
Though it was obvious - he's like any othermegalomaniacs - wants things done yesterday so he can inflict even more death and destruction today.
But that's just it -- he shouldn't be like any other megalomaniac, because he's immortal. He should have far more patience and experience than other megalomaniacs.
I mean, a lot of megalomaniacs are driven by fear of mortality -- they want to achieve their goals before they die, so they go to extremes to push events into going their way. Mao Zedong, in his youth, was quite rational and measured about how the communist revolution should unfold and recognized that it would be the work of generations to remake society; but as he grew older, he could no longer accept the idea that he wouldn't live to see the communist utopia he'd fought for, so he tried to force a Great Leap Forward and make it happen before he died, and in so doing he betrayed everything he'd once believed and inflicted horrendous suffering and millions of deaths. All because his ego couldn't accept dying with his dream unfulfilled.
But that shouldn't be a factor driving Vandal Savage, of all people. He should be far more patient and measured, more subtle and delicate in his manipulations. He can afford to take his time. Not only is that more plausible, but it would make him a more effective adversary for the heroes, if he were smart and patient enough to avoid making the mistakes on the Evil Overlord List.
They may not be 'unknown in the 70's' in the way that you're implying the dialogue meant - but they were certainly not known to the world at large. Johnny Commoner in the seventies didn't have wikipedia to check Rutherford and Villard. Outside of the scientific community, the average person on the street probably didn't know very much about them but the scientific community was certainly aware of them given that Stein considered himself to be one of the leading experts (if not THE leading expert) on them.
And I'd guess the fact that they're not very easily tracked was why his prototype tracker had been largely laughed at by the community too. So, there's absolutely no reason they needed to coin some other random fictitious name for the radiation - just buy into the fact that Stein was so insanely intelligent he managed to come up with some method of detecting Alpha particles at range and through dense materials. This then yields out why in the 2016 of the Arrowverse that the particles are said to be so easily tracked - because of Stein's tracker in the seventies.
My issue was why the Waverider sensors didn't have the capacity to track the particles and they needed the tracker - but, what the heck.
Re: Savage being impatient. It was implied that he knew about time travel and the rules regarding altering the timeline - that he had a finite time to use the technology and alter the future the technology came from in order to prevent people from that future coming back and stopping him. As Rip said - time was in flux up to the point that Savage's people managed to figure out how the tech worked and they needed to be stopped before then.
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Seriously???? You never heard of print encyclopedias and libraries and high school textbooks? There were plenty of ways for people to learn stuff before the Internet came along. Heck, comic-book writers were writing about gamma rays in the '60s, and they were identified at the same time as alpha rays. At the same time, Star Trek writers were making up fictional types of radiation with names like delta rays and epsilon rays, so clearly they'd heard of the alpha-beta-gamma paradigm as well. This stuff was common knowledge to anyone with a high-school education, and could easily be learned about by anyone who had a library card or an encyclopedia set on their bookshelves. (And yes, it was quite common for people to have encyclopedia sets on their bookshelves. There were even salesmen who went door to door selling encyclopedia sets, a common enough profession that it became a popular trope in fiction and jokes.)
It is a constant source of amazement to me how commonly people assume that modern technologies made things possible for the first time rather than simply making them easier or more convenient. Of course people could learn things before Wikipedia. Where do you think the "-pedia" part came from in the first place? People in the past weren't stupid or ignorant. They just had to physically stand up and pick up a book and turn pages, or go walk down the street to the library and pick up a book there, rather than tapping an icon on a thing in their pocket.
Wow. Could you be any more condescending?
I was referring to the fact that it is much easier for people in the present day with access to wikipedia etc to be au fait with topics such as particle radiation and that the majority didn't have a detailed knowledge and did not have the multiple ways to check what they did not know.
Note - "Outside of the scientific community, the average person on the street probably didn't know VERY MUCH about them". Emphasis on the capitalisation. Not that they didn't know anything at all. Knowing about the existence of Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation doesn't mean that you know the history of their discovery or the dynamics of their physics.
I was referring to the fact that it is much easier for people in the present day with access to wikipedia etc to be au fait with topics such as particle radiation and that the majority didn't have a detailed knowledge and did not have the multiple ways to check what they did not know.
Note - "Outside of the scientific community, the average person on the street probably didn't know VERY MUCH about them". Emphasis on the capitalisation. Not that they didn't know anything at all. Knowing about the existence of Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation doesn't mean that you know the history of their discovery or the dynamics of their physics.
You're the one assuming that people of my generation and those before it were incapable of learning grade-school science. So I'm certainly nowhere near as condescending as you were.
Which doesn't even remotely fit the premise of the episode that even the scientific community was incapable of detecting them in 1975.