Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

[Guy Gardener]

The so called big fights are stupid because it took all of them, 10 minutes to fight a dozen unarmed thugs to a draw, where the thugs were all still capable of running away or getting in a lucky shot and winning.

Freeze by himself should be able to incapacitate a fully loaded and outfitted tactical team, with dogs and hellicopters in seconds.

Although if Vandal's home-security is not running at the sight of Firestorm, it's more likely that they're something like the League of Shadows moreso than K-Mart level renta-goons.

 

[tenmei]

Although if Vandal's home-security is not running at the sight of Firestorm, it's more likely that they're something like the League of Shadows moreso than K-Mart level renta-goons.

Or HIVE 'ghosts' given the presence of Darkh.

 

[TemporalFlux]

When Old Barry arrives in the past, would time leave him into an old man body, or make him young again?

Barry already traveled back to the night his mom died, and kid Barry didn't vanish. The overwrite option would appear to be something limited to a narrow time frame of travel (a few days).

As for why, the magic McGuffin is probably the speed force. However, it is interesting to observe that when Thawne travels beyond his lifetime, he seems to diminish his speed force connection and needs help getting back to his own time. If Barry ever travels that far in time, he'll probably have Thawne's speed problem.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Barry already traveled back to the night his mom died, and kid Barry didn't vanish. The overwrite option would appear to be something limited to a narrow time frame of travel (a few days).

As for why, the magic McGuffin is probably the speed force. However, it is interesting to observe that when Thawne travels beyond his lifetime, he seems to diminish his speed force connection and needs help getting back to his own time. If Barry ever travels that far in time, he'll probably have Thawne's speed problem.

So that is the reason Doctor Sam Beckett only ever leaped within his own lifetime?

 

[JoeZhang]

So that is the reason Doctor Sam Beckett only ever leaped within his own lifetime?

Except he didn't, when it suits the show he leaped into the past further back than his birth.

 

[dahj]

Was that Kryptonite in the promo?

Can't tell, was distracted by the Booster Gold uniform in the background of that shot

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's gotta be awkward for Rip that "My daddy was in the Justice League" which is usually his trump card to any argument about credibility, means nothing to the legends that he is travelling with.

Future, future Barry who told present day Barry to let his mommy die... (Was he in a closet? Does anyone else have trouble breathing when they think about how beautiful Nora is?) what if the regular Flash learns from Zoom how to steal speed, and that's what happened to Thawne's speed in 2000?

At some point Barry is going to want to "double" his speed, and this is where he gets it from, it's just a question of if this transfusion is to deal to/with Zoom, or the next big bad in season 3?

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's gotta be awkward for Rip that "My daddy was in the Justice League" which is usually his trump card to any argument about credibility, means nothing to the legends that he is travelling with.

Has Rip actually used that line in any version of reality? Let's face it, his daddy is slightly above G'Nort on the JLA credibility scale.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Time Travelers never (should) suicidally admit to where they are from or who their parents are.

It's a great way to get murdered in your cot as a baby if your opponents also have time travel technology.

At one point I remember Hunter saying "Of course my name isn't Rip Hunter, don't be ridiculous, I just don't want anyone to kill my parents before my conception."

There was a (Jennis Vel) Captain Marvel story where he was fighting his own son from the future who hadn't been born yet. The son kicked ass, super powerful and no bugger could stop him from doing all the bad shit he had plans on doing... Then just before he's about to lose the final battle, Captain Marvel stops, looks at his feet and starts muttering to himself, which is when his son, the big bad vanishes, and the day is saved.

Skip ahead 5 years, and Captain Marvel is choking out his own 3 month old son in a cot, because he absolutely swore an oath to pancakes that he would, and he had to, or the kid will grow up to kill everyone and take over the universe evily and ####.

 

[matthunter]

Has Rip actually used that line in any version of reality? Let's face it, his daddy is slightly above G'Nort on the JLA credibility scale.

Hey, don't be dissing Booster. If this series does anything worthwhile, it'll have him and Ted in it at some point. Or I'll fuck with Berlanti's timeline myself.

 

[Marc]

Hey, don't be dissing Booster. If this series does anything worthwhile, it'll have him and Ted in it at some point. Or I'll fuck with Berlanti's timeline myself.

Don't think that will achieve anything

You need to fuck with the timelines of these bozos in licensing and the such who are dictating which characters berlanti can and can't use.

 

[FreezeC77]

I like the cast and I like the misfit team concept... but I really hate the time travel concept and in general the way time is treated in the shared universe.

I would love it if this show had been a DC style Exiles and dealt with alternate universes after something Flash did.

 

[Marc]

I like the cast and I like the misfit team concept... but I really hate the time travel concept and in general the way time is treated in the shared universe.

I would love it if this show had been a DC style Exiles and dealt with alternate universes after something Flash did.

I suspect that as they would be looking for an audience outside of DC Comic and sci-fi fans, it becomes necessary to "dumb down" (for want of a better term) the time travel aspect and things like temporal paradoxes.

Then again some of that may also come from the comics. In Doctor Who and Back To The Future, meeting yourself as happened with Stein last week usually results in bad mjo but does that happen in DC Comics?

 

[Christopher]

I suspect that as they would be looking for an audience outside of DC Comic and sci-fi fans, it becomes necessary to "dumb down" (for want of a better term) the time travel aspect and things like temporal paradoxes.

I've been watching time travel shows and movies for decades, and I've seen very few that weren't dumb. Even the ones that are smart in other respects have utterly nonsensical temporal physics and logic and pretty much make up their rules as they go.

 

[dahj]

In Doctor Who and Back To The Future, meeting yourself as happened with Stein last week usually results in bad mjo but does that happen in DC Comics?

All kinds of things happen in the comics. There aren't any strict rules or guidelines for time travel stories. There aren't any on Doctor Who either and that show's all about time travel...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Charmed had a nice rule.

Once you got back to the future (the present), and there were two of you, because the timeline changed, you'd been (figuratively) magnetically drawn together hard and fast until you're smashed back into a single person again with gelled memories.

 

[dahj]

you'd been (figuratively) magnetically drawn together hard and fast until you're smashed back into a single person.

When the Flash travels back in time apparently the same thing happens only super fast so you don't see it.
I'd call it the Flash Smash.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Charmed gets a bad rap because it's desired demographic was idiots aged 11 to 15.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Pre-Crisis DC had a rule that a person could only exist once at a given time, as was regularly stated in Legion time travel stories.

Then again, I remember reading a Bronze Age team up of Batman and Superboy, sooo ...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Rip Hunter had a Time masters miniseries (late 80s?) that I've been reading on and off over the last couple weeks (it's not very good) and the conceit that there is that any one person is only capable of travelling through time via one technological "method" before they explode. You know like there's more than one "method" to boil water.

One of the Time Masters accidentally, without being aware that he was doing this, bleeding from his thumb, accidentally left a couple dips of blood in a time capsule that later went through time, which meant that "enough of him" had already nixed that method of time travel.

Still later, that guy exploded because he reused time machine tech that those drips of blood he'd misplaced had already used.