Nope. It depended on how the penciler worked. Full pencils as opposed to just layouts. Some inkers actually reduced or even erased the amount of detail in the pencils.
DC to REBOOT???
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That's happening to a certain extent. There's a talent agency in Brazil that's supplying a lot of the artists for the American comic book industry. It's not a sweatshop operation or anything, but it's a talent pool that works at lower page rates than long-established talent, allowing comic book companies to get a lot pickier about who they'll employ, especially when it comes to established artists with high page rates who don't necessarily sell all that well anymore.
Protect the drug pipeline, of course.
Is that where they found Ed Benes?
I heard in another forum, he lives in a village that only recently got electricity.
And Jimmy Olsen.
To play Devil's Advocate, I submit the post-Zero Hour Legion of Super-Heroes of reasons why this might be the better choice than a complete reboot. Before I go into it, I do want to say, that I loved this version of the Legion and don't mean to disparage it.
One of the biggest gripes, after "it was totally unnecessary" that plagues this era of the Legion are the claims that it was too similar in a lot of cases to the original Legion and that, in a lot of cases, it just retold old stories (the origin of the team, Computo, Ferro Lad and the Suneater, the Legion's first fight against Mordru, etc.). While in some cases, yeah, they did retell certain stories, they did differ, in some cases (such as Ferro Lad) retold it in such a way that it was very different from the original.
The "Threeboot" Legion did avoid this, as we never got an origin story, they never had Ferro Lad as a Legionnaire, no Computo, etc. However, I think some fans dismissed it as being "too different."
By accepting some of the major points in the continuity, they allow the characters to go forward and we don't have cases of the writers retelling the same stories. It actually seems they are saying that they want the better/well-written stories to stand and ignore the rest (for example, I assume "Death of Superman" would be in continuity, but the Electro-Blue phase wouldn't, just as an example).
I see this as DC not wanting to throw the proverbial baby out with the equally proverbial bathwater.
Of course, everyone's favorite story-line is someone else's least favorite.
I never expected them to start at an absolute beginning. I expected them to chose the things they liked and forget the things they didn't. A sorta all new, but, not quite. Basically, everything still happened, unless they do something to specifically contradict something.
That's way overstating the case - most of the worst offenders in modern comics are also the worst artists.
...So when are we going to start seeing the quality from these modern artists again?
Scot Lobdell interview regarding "Red Hood and the Outsiders". I am looking forward to this book.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32828
Also it looks like Lois and Clark are done.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/16/dan-didio-confirms-end-of-loisclark-marriage/
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32828
Also it looks like Lois and Clark are done.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/06/16/dan-didio-confirms-end-of-loisclark-marriage/
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Having read that I find the decision to restart the numbering of Action and Detective at #1 all the more unforgivable because it means they're lying when they say they want to respect the history of DC.
Ditto. Just another nail in the coffin for DC as far as I'm concerned. I never thought I'd end up using a phrase that might be associated with the "Adolf Hitler gets mad" video meme or, worse, the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, but the more I read about the reboots and the titles I like being canceled and the shortsighted nonsense about abandoning 75 years of history on the two longest running comics of all time (which end in August as far as I'm concerned; the titles starting in September are "AfterMASH" to the original's "MASH" if you get the analogy) - DC truly is going to be dead to me come fall.
Luckily there's still IDW.
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Well, that's me not buying any Superman comics, then.
I don't need Grant Morrison telling me how Superboy grew up anyway. I've already read that, it was called All-Star Superman #6. He's probably not topping that.
And if I want to read about Superman brutally assaulting people for exercising their freedoms, I can read Jerry Siegel's Action #1.
Then again, I'm still curious. It was easy to forget about Spider-Man forever, because Spider-Man actually kind of sucks. But I really do like Superman, and of course anything Morrison does is at least worth looking at (even if it's a failure, it's usually an interesting failure). You guys will spoil me on the run, right? I don't want to buy it and reward bad behavior, and I don't want to steal it because obviously, but I do want to know what happens.
Still, what a bunch of fucking assholes.
Most egregious is of course John Cassaday, who always had his flaws (there is no such thing as an on-model Jakita Wagner), but generally turned in exceptional work, who now tends toward the World's Laziest Cover Art. Adam Hughes suffers from this a bit too, since the former virtuoso pared down his facial repertoire down to two: Computerized Audrey Hepburn and Modified Computerized Audrey Hepburn. At least J.G. Jones covers clearly involve some work.
How fast is J.H. Williams III? I can't imagine he's anything but terribly slow, but I can't remember if Promethea had a lot of delays. I think Batwoman has a back-up artist for when Williams hits a wall? If he actually could stick to a monthly schedule for over a year the man would be superhuman.
I don't need Grant Morrison telling me how Superboy grew up anyway. I've already read that, it was called All-Star Superman #6. He's probably not topping that.
And if I want to read about Superman brutally assaulting people for exercising their freedoms, I can read Jerry Siegel's Action #1.
Then again, I'm still curious. It was easy to forget about Spider-Man forever, because Spider-Man actually kind of sucks. But I really do like Superman, and of course anything Morrison does is at least worth looking at (even if it's a failure, it's usually an interesting failure). You guys will spoil me on the run, right? I don't want to buy it and reward bad behavior, and I don't want to steal it because obviously, but I do want to know what happens.
Still, what a bunch of fucking assholes.
The bad thing is, I can think of a dozen modern age artists who are shockingly great, but are either slow--like Frank Quitely, for the sake of argument (the kids seem to dig him, and I do love his layouts and blocking) or Kevin Maguire--or don't need to be fast because they graduated to "cover duty."JohnnyQuest037 said:
Most egregious is of course John Cassaday, who always had his flaws (there is no such thing as an on-model Jakita Wagner), but generally turned in exceptional work, who now tends toward the World's Laziest Cover Art. Adam Hughes suffers from this a bit too, since the former virtuoso pared down his facial repertoire down to two: Computerized Audrey Hepburn and Modified Computerized Audrey Hepburn. At least J.G. Jones covers clearly involve some work.
How fast is J.H. Williams III? I can't imagine he's anything but terribly slow, but I can't remember if Promethea had a lot of delays. I think Batwoman has a back-up artist for when Williams hits a wall? If he actually could stick to a monthly schedule for over a year the man would be superhuman.
I wish they would just come out and say it's ending rather than having "lawyer" speak. It's insulting.
I love McGuire and Hughes. Fond memories of their work on Justice League/Justice League International/Justice League America.
The new Superman stuff is what I'm looking forward to more than anything else, since he seems to be one of the characters undergoing the most changes. The 1986 restart was great for him, and it's probably a decade past time for another.
I'm still looking forward to the Superman stuff despite the marriage thing and the new costumes.
I like the new costume - I like the whole idea that they're finally breaking that silly taboo, straight out.
I don't try to keep track of all the trivia of lesser retcons, so I don't know what the current accepted origin of Clark's outfit is. I know that Byrne did something very clever, which was to declare that (due to his explanation for invulnerability) any clothing that Clark wore against his skin became nearly indestructable. That superceded the old "it's a great big hand-knit leotard made from Kryptonian yarn that will always fit perfectly from the time you're fifteen until you're geezin."
With that in mind, there's no reason that Superman shouldn't have a variety of outfits in the same way that the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and Batman have had. He can continue to change it up from time to time, and there's no reason that if the artists are so moved that he can't occasionally wear the traditional one with the red trunks.
I don't try to keep track of all the trivia of lesser retcons, so I don't know what the current accepted origin of Clark's outfit is. I know that Byrne did something very clever, which was to declare that (due to his explanation for invulnerability) any clothing that Clark wore against his skin became nearly indestructable. That superceded the old "it's a great big hand-knit leotard made from Kryptonian yarn that will always fit perfectly from the time you're fifteen until you're geezin."
With that in mind, there's no reason that Superman shouldn't have a variety of outfits in the same way that the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and Batman have had. He can continue to change it up from time to time, and there's no reason that if the artists are so moved that he can't occasionally wear the traditional one with the red trunks.
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