DC to REBOOT???

[Admiral_Young]

Power Girl's origins were retconned during Infinite Crisis, she's basically the Supergirl from Earth-2 who died in Crisis of Infinite Earths but somehow survived and preserved in New Earth. Pretty simple to me. I don't know why people are making a big deal about past continuity anyways...it won't matter come Sept

 

[Davros]

I'm guessing Plop will not be part of the reboot.

 

[Misfit Toy]

they did quite well with one, mainstream continuity until Infinite Crisis. So... that was 30 years?

More like 20, but your point is valid.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Legacy heroes" aren't actually legacy heroes when you have to make them into something that they weren't in order to change the present status quo. I might kind of miss the real JSA, but these retcon versions you're suggesting are no more interesting than any other bit players in the crowd; they're nobody at all.

It's all in the execution.

Samuel T. Cogley fairly and mockingly immortalized this kind of response as "if it were done well." As in:

"I'd be all in favor of a Star Trek series that actually took place entirely in a second story walkup apartment in Queens circa 1947 if it were done well."

Besides, there's easy enough ways to explain WW2 heroes in the present day. Nobody even bats an eye about Captain America, after all.

Oh, there's a certain amount of hand-wringing about explaining Nick Fury these days. And actually, there've been some pretty interesting discussions about the problems inherent in melting that iceberg in, oh, 2001 rather than 1964 (or whatever, give me a break). Steve Rogers = Buck Rogers?

Mostly agreed...Where it gets tricky is when you try to explore their adventures in their prime. Fighting crime during the 30s and 40s is the Golden Age. Fighting crime during the 70s and 80s is, well, not as interesting for those characters.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman can get away with being modern because they were continually published (and, thereby, constantly updated) after interest died in those characters in the mid-to-late 40s.

Pretty much, yep.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

If you have a single Earth with the JSA then, rather than drag the JSA up to the 70s and 80s (which doesn't suit them at all), it would be better to leave them in the 1940s and fill in the succeeding decades with a few more generations of heroes. So the JSA would be the 1940s and 1950s generation, Infinity Inc would be the 1960s and 1970s generation, and then you'd either have a new generation for the 1980s and 1990s or you could leave that as a period bereft of superheroes. The JSA would be strictly a period piece title to this way of thinking, with its members all dead by the present.

In terms of what they're doing with the relaunch and Superman being the first superhero, it's possible they could make the JSA a secret society from the past (similar to the Smallville approach).

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If you have a single Earth with the JSA then, rather than drag the JSA up to the 70s and 80s (which doesn't suit them at all), it would be better to leave them in the 1940s and fill in the succeeding decades with a few more generations of heroes.

That does have its appeal - to use them, though, you need to publish WWII period stories. I like that idea, but is there a market?

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

That does have its appeal - to use them, though, you need to publish WWII period stories. I like that idea, but is there a market?

I don't know if there's a market for it as an ongoing title these days, but there would certainly be a market for that approach in the form of occasional limited series, especially if you had popular writers and artists involved.

 

[Mike Farley]

As for my first cancelled title I will go with Grifter. Cant see this guy puling off a long term series.

You really think Voodoo will outlast Grifter?

 

[Broccoli]

DC is starting to post the solicits. Interestingly, Stormwatch indicates that it's series springboards off of something that happens in Superman #1.

Oddly enough, though, is that Superman #1 comes out on the 28th, where as Stormwatch comes out three weeks prior to that.

Whoops?

 

[Thestral]

Besides, there's easy enough ways to explain WW2 heroes in the present day. Nobody even bats an eye about Captain America, after all.

Oh, there's a certain amount of hand-wringing about explaining Nick Fury these days. And actually, there've been some pretty interesting discussions about the problems inherent in melting that iceberg in, oh, 2001 rather than 1964 (or whatever, give me a break). Steve Rogers = Buck Rogers?

I suppose. But this is superhero comics, where the most famous character was shot from an exploding planet to Earth as a baby. I don't see how a 50, 60, 100 year even timeskip should be difficult. If nothing else, the idea of "a hero from a golden age returns in the present" is one of the oldest tropes in fiction.

 

[Professor Zoom]

So he filled the boots of his mentor who died when a multiverse that never existed ceased to exist. So if you ask Joe Citizen on Cluster Earth how the Flash died, he'd say... ?
Much simpler than alternate universes.

Did you actually read Wally's run? I'm just curious. Because it was pretty damn clear. As others have said, Barry died saving the Universe--because Post-Crisis, there was only one to have EVER be saved. Wally took over.

AND, you know what? What happened to Barry, HOW Barry died, was such a TEENY TINY bit of Wally's story. What was important: Wally had to fill boots he wasn't sure he could fill. They didn't spend issues and issues of his run talking about or covering how Barry died.

So, it was HARDLY a problem.

Hawkman, yeah, that was a problem. Mostly because of the editorial decision to make the mini Hawkworld contemporaneous with the Modern DCU, rather than past events, and bring these New Hawks to Earth. Bad decision.

But, if Wally is a problem for you, then it's not worth discussing this.

 

[sojourner]

Is it possible this Superman as "first" is being taken to literally? I tend to think they mean it as more of "the best among many" than "first to show up".

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Heh - what if they just kept the heroes who weren't duplicated in the Silver Age in continuity and eliminated the earlier versions of Supes, WW, GL, Flash - who would they have, to build the Justice Society from?

I'm thinking about Watchmen, and the fact that there were no superhumans among the first generation of costumed heroes - the Minutemen - there.

 

[JoeZhang]

Is it possible this Superman as "first" is being taken to literally? I tend to think they mean it as more of "the best among many" than "first to show up".

I think it's pretty clear they actually mean "first", which is why Morrison's Action comic arc is set at the start of this new universe when the concept of Superheros is new.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Heh - what if they just kept the heroes who weren't duplicated in the Silver Age in continuity and eliminated the earlier versions of Supes, WW, GL, Flash - who would they have, to build the Justice Society from?

I'm thinking about Watchmen, and the fact that there were no superhumans among the first generation of costumed heroes - the Minutemen - there.

So, like Hourman and Wildcat? I could dig that.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

From the updated full solicits of Justice League and Justice League International:

In a universe where super heroes are strange and new, Batman has discovered a dark evil that requires him to unite the World Greatest Heroes!

With the growing presence of super beings around the world, the United Nations resolves to create a new group called Justice League International.

 

[thorshammer1138]

Has it been said this is a temporay thing like the Heroes reborn deal in the Marvel Uni?? is this because of Flashpoint???

 

[Broccoli]

Is it possible this Superman as "first" is being taken to literally? I tend to think they mean it as more of "the best among many" than "first to show up".

That's what I was thinking up-thread as if the term "first" was being used meta-textually as opposed to literally. I suppose we'll find out for sure in September.

Has it been said this is a temporay thing like the Heroes reborn deal in the Marvel Uni?? is this because of Flashpoint???

Though it shares some stokes with Heroes Reborn, this is the new status quo.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Has it been said this is a temporay thing like the Heroes reborn deal in the Marvel Uni?? is this because of Flashpoint???

Not a temporary deal.

Not any more temporary than the "Silver Age" or the post-COIE DC Universe, anyway...which is to say that all things are temporary.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

That's what I was thinking up-thread as if the term "first" was being used meta-textually as opposed to literally. I suppose we'll find out for sure in September.

The solicit for Justice League indicates that it's literal.