DC to REBOOT???
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Yeah, makes it more like Marvel. 
Anyway, most all of them rose within a couple of years of one another in the old timeline, so it's a moot point.
In reality, three of them - WW, Batman and Superman - are much older than most of the others, but their introductory dates have had to be moved forward more than once to keep their ages in sync.
Anyway, most all of them rose within a couple of years of one another in the old timeline, so it's a moot point.
In reality, three of them - WW, Batman and Superman - are much older than most of the others, but their introductory dates have had to be moved forward more than once to keep their ages in sync.
Yeah, there were enough non-powered "mystery men" that it could definitely work. Hourman, Wildcat, Sandman, Crimson Avenger, Mr. Teriffic, Starman for a "tech" hero...
Also prevents the awkwardness of "why is the embodiment of God's wrath on a team with a heavyweight boxer"
Since continuity between different titles was almost nonexistent on those days, removing Bats and Supes from the line-up doesn't have much effect - if any - on the careers of the remaining characters. It would mean that some of the old stories where the characters all appeared together - the JSA stories themselves - might not fit in to the new DCU continuity, but that's going to be for all characters to a greater or lesser extent.
However, approached this way it's still likely that everyone in the JSA is either dead or extremely elderly now.
However, approached this way it's still likely that everyone in the JSA is either dead or extremely elderly now.
Which could be interesting... their perspective on Superman might be interesting... especially if it's not what we assume it would be... maybe one of the old guy distrusts this Superman... I don't know. Could be an interesting idea.
Of course... moving them, the JSA, to the 60s...
Then, in 30 years time, gotta fix that problem too...
"Sliding origins" would be one thing. But to preserve the WW2 flavor, "fell into a hole in time" or "Adventured in an alternate dimension where time runs more slowly" or something else entirely; there's plenty of creative ways to bring two-three of the older and non-powered mystery men into the present if you wanted, while most of them are extremely old and/or dead.
It's not as though the "everyone is either dead or extremely old" didn't apply to many of them in the now-old DCU, after all.
It's not as though the "everyone is either dead or extremely old" didn't apply to many of them in the now-old DCU, after all.
They're not the JSA in the 1960s. They are, as someone labeled them, "legacy heroes" and if they're not that they're not worth bothering with IMAO.
I simply can't get over the fact that there are now 3 (in words THREE) new Justice Leagues, and J'onn J'onzz is not part of even one of them, but of Stormwatch. WTF?
But at least, they keep the kid's books and Vertigo out of this Relaunch idiocy. But, what's that? John Constantine is a member of Justice League Dark, therefore part of the DCU, but "Hellblazers" is not relaunching? Seriously, I'm confused.
But still, even if I look at this as a terrible idea, I'll use this chance to get back into DCU comics. Not because these stories seem so much more interesting than previous ones (they really don't), but because my financial situation has barred me from buying these books for the past couple of years, and this seems like a good chance. Actually, part of me doesn't even want to bother, but then again, these are my heroes, and I can at least give them a chance. I can always stop buying them again later on.
BTW, what REALLY pisses me off is that because J'onn is now in Stormwatch, I'll have to buy this book, too. I just love the character, and I'm really disappointed that while characters like "Hawk & Dove" and "Grifter" get their own titles, J'onn's left as one character in one team book that's not even his "real" team (aka the Justice League).
But at least, they keep the kid's books and Vertigo out of this Relaunch idiocy. But, what's that? John Constantine is a member of Justice League Dark, therefore part of the DCU, but "Hellblazers" is not relaunching? Seriously, I'm confused.
But still, even if I look at this as a terrible idea, I'll use this chance to get back into DCU comics. Not because these stories seem so much more interesting than previous ones (they really don't), but because my financial situation has barred me from buying these books for the past couple of years, and this seems like a good chance. Actually, part of me doesn't even want to bother, but then again, these are my heroes, and I can at least give them a chance. I can always stop buying them again later on.
BTW, what REALLY pisses me off is that because J'onn is now in Stormwatch, I'll have to buy this book, too. I just love the character, and I'm really disappointed that while characters like "Hawk & Dove" and "Grifter" get their own titles, J'onn's left as one character in one team book that's not even his "real" team (aka the Justice League).
I don't know why this is confusing. Hellblazer is more adult comic, and it's continuing in the Vertigo "Universe", there's just another version of the character being used in the DCU, where I'm sure the tone and the adventures will be quite different.
It's not like the John in the Vertigo comic will talk about his adventures with the Justice League.
^ Indeed. It's not as though anybody gets confused that there's two different cartoon versions of Batman on the air right now.
I think this is something all of us talking about the JSA can pretty much agree on.
I think this is something all of us talking about the JSA can pretty much agree on.
Hmm. That "mystery woman" on the JLI cover is gone...
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As an accessibility issue i think it's a mistake to launch all 52 series at once (or to have that many for that matter).
They should do it the way Ultimate did, start with one or two series, and build up the entire universe that way. Of course, at a faster pace than Ultimate obviously, but that was a big reason it was easy for people to get invested in it.
They started off, if I recall, just with Ultimate Spidey. Then, Ultimate X-Men and The Ultimates later (?), and then the later stuff.
DCnu should imo just start off with a single Superman series one month to launch, launch Batman not too long afterwards, then debut a few more, etc etc.
They should do it the way Ultimate did, start with one or two series, and build up the entire universe that way. Of course, at a faster pace than Ultimate obviously, but that was a big reason it was easy for people to get invested in it.
They started off, if I recall, just with Ultimate Spidey. Then, Ultimate X-Men and The Ultimates later (?), and then the later stuff.
DCnu should imo just start off with a single Superman series one month to launch, launch Batman not too long afterwards, then debut a few more, etc etc.
The Ultimate line was in addition to the regular Marvel line, though, so it had that option. Putting that little product out for a DCU relaunch would be a disaster in terms of cash flow. Anyway, DC's September solicitations don't have more comics than usual. They have more DCU ongoing comics than usual, but there are no limited series solicited and Wildstorm has now been folded into the DCU.
Except it isn't, because Supergirl from Earth-2 (Power Girl) survived - it was Supergirl of Earth-1 that died. But I can understand the confusion. It isn't like the cover of issue 7 of Crisis featured Kal-El (note the upswoop at the top of the 'S' connecting it to the outer edge of the shield - that's definitely the Silver Age, Earth-1 Superman) holding his dead cousin, screaming and crying, or anything: http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/crisis-on-infinite-earths/7-1.jpg
Yeah, it was more like 20,...but someone who enjoyed immensly the first 15 years of that 20, I can say is this their idea of how "post-COIE's" should have been?....will be watching but definitely NOT buying....
Except it isn't, because Supergirl from Earth-2 (Power Girl) survived - it was Supergirl of Earth-1 that died. But I can understand the confusion. It isn't like the cover of issue 7 of Crisis featured Kal-El (note the upswoop at the top of the 'S' connecting it to the outer edge of the shield - that's definitely the Silver Age, Earth-1 Superman) holding his dead cousin, screaming and crying, or anything: http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/crisis-on-infinite-earths/7-1.jpg
Superman... crying like a little girl... he MUST BE RETCONNED!
Hourman has super powers, for an hour at a time.
Yeah, there were enough non-powered "mystery men" that it could definitely work. Hourman, Wildcat, Sandman, Crimson Avenger, Mr. Teriffic, Starman for a "tech" hero...
Also prevents the awkwardness of "why is the embodiment of God's wrath on a team with a heavyweight boxer"
I dont see why not. When they were brought back in the196s, they were presented as older heroes who retired and inspired by meeting the JLA they went back into action. As I mentioned before, their adventures rarely revoled around the war and half took place either before or after the war. Some were even adapted/remade as JLA stories. There nothing about the concept of the JSA ( which didn't even have an origin story til the 1970s) that makes it "1940s" only.
As for the costumes, most aren't all that different than the ones from later decades. Some like Black Canary and Hawkman had only minor tweeks when brought back in the 1960s.
Interesting. The not Donna Troy character many thought was on the lower right of that cover is indeed gone.
Altering a cover is one thing but I'd think the issue itself would still have her inside as part of the story. Unless they are rewriting the issue/arc.
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