DC to REBOOT???

[JoeZhang]

it seems Rich has some kind of agenda/hatred against the company.

And the evidence for this is?

Rich runs a gossip-monger site, he comes across the biggest current story in comics - how is it an agenda/hatred against the company if he does want he sets out to do?

By that logic, he also has an agenda against Marvel, Dark Horse and various other creators. He also hates various film and TV shows.

and other comic news sites to cover this a week early.

How horrible for them! They had to do some journalism rather than churnalism!

 

[Admiral_Young]

If you read Rich's articles as House of Ulster mentioned earlier in the thread you can tell he's not a big DC fan. Not to mention yesterday if you went to his blog he posted a rather comical piece where he had a pic of Geoff Johns and Jim Lee standing with their hands in their pockets and made a point of saying that he's taken their thunder away from him.

Look, I don't care either way. I'm just saying that this announcement came out of no where because of Bleeding Cool. No one else like Newsarama or CBR decided to do this...and i'm sure they could. Hell, Geoff could have done this himself, but chose not to.

 

[JoeZhang]

No one else like Newsarama or CBR decided to do this...and i'm sure they could

No they couldn't, I'm not going to give you the full history of the comics industry but Newsarama and comic book resources are engaged in churnalism and under no circumstances will break such a story because they would be 'punished' (exclusives and interviews pulled). Johnson doesn't have that access and never will, so they have no leverage over him.

I'm a bit surprised I'm having to tell you this as I got the impression from previous threads you'd been reading comics for a long time and know a bit about how the industry works?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'm a bit surprise that you would condescend to me when I'm simply attempting to explain why Broccoli had a point that it was a dick move. I stated in my post I understood Rich's decision, and earlier in the thread I posted that he stated he signed no agreements. The fact that you can't admit that it's a dick move is funny. I get the business side of why he's doing it. It's because he could.

 

[BillJ]

DC should have done a better job keeping their secret.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

DC should have done a better job keeping their secret.

Most secrets in the comics industry break much earlier than this. They did a good job keeping a lid on it for so long considering how big the news was.

 

[JoeZhang]

I'm a bit surprise that you would condescend to me when I'm simply attempting to explain why Broccoli had a point that it was a dick move. I stated in my post I understood Rich's decision, and earlier in the thread I posted that he stated he signed no agreements. The fact that you can't admit that it's a dick move is funny. I get the business side of why he's doing it. It's because he could.

Well I'm just surprised that you think that either Newarama or CBR would break this story.

The fact that you can't admit that it's a dick move is funny.

Because I don't think it is? I just think it's standard and largely unremarkable activities from Johnson, so why would I make such a statement.


Your statements seem to becoming terse and emotional, you shouldn't let this stuff upset you, it's just talkboard time wasting.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I never said they would...I stated that they could...I knew they wouldn't because I assume they have agreements in place with both Marvel and DC that would have gotten them in shit. I know where their "stories" come from. I apologize if I was terse or emotional in my posts. That wasn't my intention at all. I was merely attempting to get my point across. I probably failed to do that.

I agree that they probably should not have told anyone about this and just kept this to themselves until next weekend. I'll admit to a measure of naivete on this. I was fully expecting all of this to come down next weekend. That's all.

That all being said...I'm looking forward to the Aquaman ongoing. Reis and Johns sound like a great team and Geoff seems to have a passion for these characters. Especially Mera obviously. Batman still seems up in the air in terms of creative teams.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

There was a message from DC a day or so ago saying that the initial report wasn't the whole story.

Perhaps I am not being clear, but again, you completely missed my point behind my comment.

No I got it, I simply think you are complete wrong and so is JD.

You wouldn't be irritated and/or upset if you were working on something and were keeping it quiet until a certain time only to have a third party reveal it earlier than you wanted/intended?

Probably. That's not the proper concern of journalists, sorry, and there's nothing dickish about them doing their jobs.

I'd personally respect them less if they knew about this and sat on it. There's more than enough of that nonsense in the entertainment press as it is - it serves the monied interests who are doing the selling, often at the expense of the consumer, and once a reporter agrees to it under some circumstances it's difficult to break away from it in others.

The fact that you can't admit that it's a dick move is funny.

The fact that you really believe there's something dickish or in any way offensive about it is funnier.

I never said they would...I stated that they could...I knew they wouldn't because I assume they have agreements in place with both Marvel and DC that would have gotten them in shit.

To sum up, then: if you're looking to read real news about the business, BleedingCool is the place to go and those sites are not. Got it.

 

[scnj]

Just to throw some predictions out there (and make an attempt at dragging this thread somewhat back on topic), I think Batman will reboot with a new #1, but I think Batman Inc will continue as an ongoing. I don't think either Action or Detective Comics will reboot, because I don't think DC will pass up the opportunity for those #1000 issues.

We'll see new Swamp Thing and Constantine series' published under the DC main label, possibly with some involvement from Geoff Johns. Alan Moore will not be involved in any way.

Just to make a crazy suggestion, there'll be an event that merges Watchmen characters into the DCU and we'll see a Batman/Nite Owl/Rorschach crossover.

 

[Admiral_Young]

So far the following books are of interest to me:

-Superman #1 Written by Grant Morrison (don't know the artist yet)
-Justice League #1 (Written by Geoff Johns art by Jim Lee)
-Justice League International #1 (Written by Dan Jurgens art by Aaron Lopresti)
-Aquaman #1 (Written By Geoff Johns art by Ivan Reis)
-Wonder Woman #1 (Written by Brian Azzarello and art by Cliff Chiang)


Still don't know about Batman until we get creative teams announced.

 

[Thestral]

Re: The Watchmen crazy idea. God, I hope no.

Well that would depend on what it is that somebody wants to keep quiet, wouldn't it? Certainly there's some things that people should be allowed to keep secret - especially only for a time.

Making that vague general assertion is quite a ways from making a persuasive case that this kind of thing qualifies at all.

True. But there's probably not a persuasive case to be made since it's such a subjective thing and we're coming at this from completely different directions.

I see this as (on a much smaller scale) similar to intentionally ruining somebody's surprise announcement of engagement or pregnancy or promotion or something to that effect. It's such a small thing that it doesn't matter, but that's the distinction.

You wouldn't be irritated and/or upset if you were working on something and were keeping it quiet until a certain time only to have a third party reveal it earlier than you wanted/intended?

Probably. That's not the proper concern of journalists, sorry, and there's nothing dickish about them doing their jobs.

I'd personally respect them less if they knew about this and sat on it. There's more than enough of that nonsense in the entertainment press as it is - it serves the monied interests who are doing the selling, often at the expense of the consumer, and once a reporter agrees to it under some circumstances it's difficult to break away from it in others.

On the other hand, some people's jobs is to be dickish.

Companies should tell people what they're doing - but artists should have some control over the release of their material. Yes? No?

 

[Captain Craig]

I agree that is likely Donna Troy on the JLI cover but I got to say that team lineup does nothing for me. I get a Giffen vibe from it and that era wasn't one of my favs.

I'm not sure what to make of Firestorm. Are they both A Firestorm then can Merge into a stronger Firestorm?

Some of the titles for characters that are deserving a chance to shine solo like Mr.Terrific look interesting as does Captain Atom. Why does someone think it's going to be a Dr.Solar riff (they are similar) but what in particular leads you to that. (Can't recall the poster)

All I know is come March/April 2012 when this is in TPB and I can get them for cheaper, yes even better than digital, I'll be curious to see what's going on.

Be curious to see what other characters/teams are getting a chance to shine as the #1's are all announced.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Just to throw some predictions out there (and make an attempt at dragging this thread somewhat back on topic), I think Batman will reboot with a new #1, but I think Batman Inc will continue as an ongoing. I don't think either Action or Detective Comics will reboot, because I don't think DC will pass up the opportunity for those #1000 issues.

They have already said there will be an new Action #1.

That's not to say in a few years it doesn't revert, but there will be a new Action Comics #1.

We'll see new Swamp Thing and Constantine series' published under the DC main label, possibly with some involvement from Geoff Johns. Alan Moore will not be involved in any way.

Really? That is like a TOTALLY shocking idea. I would never have predicted Alan Moore wouldn't be involved in a DC project.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I see this as (on a much smaller scale) similar to intentionally ruining somebody's surprise announcement of engagement or pregnancy or promotion or something to that effect. It's such a small thing that it doesn't matter, but that's the distinction.

"See it that way," then - but it's not, unless those people also intend to leverage their announcements as part of a campaign to sell me something in the public square.

- but artists should have some control over the release of their material. Yes? No?

That's a red herring - this was an early report on a business announcement by DC, not a violation of any putative "artists rights." Unless DC has suddenly become an artist-owned collective of some kind, the artists had no more control over the release of their material by DC than by BleedingCool.

Sorry, there's just no rational way to reconcile the principles of journalism with the idea that these folks did something somehow wrong. They did their jobs - the shills didn't.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

So far the following books are of interest to me:

-Superman #1 Written by Grant Morrison (don't know the artist yet) .

CANNOT WAIT!!! All-Star Superman (which I read fully about two months ago) was so incredibly good.

Best of all (in both All-Star, as well as the new Superman), no pre-existing crap for Morrison to waste his time with!

 

[shivkala]

As a big Firestorm fan, I'm super excited about that announcement. This appears to be a case of them actually taking advantage of the reboot and trying something somewhat unique. Case in point, Green Arrow, which sounds even more like a Batman re-tread than some of his previous incarnations, especially making him an orphan.

On one hand, I do want to wait and give some of these titles a try, because they might be great and I'll miss out by jumping to conclusions. I did that the last time they started up a Firestorm series and later discovered what I missed out on (though, to be fair, the first 13 issues by Dan Jolley were just okay, it was when Stuart Moore took over that the series got really good). On the other hand, it's hard not to, seeing as how I've been collecting comics now for 20 years and have formed an emotional attachment to them. Of course, on the third hand, there's the voice in the back of my head telling me that this won't stick, one way or the other.

I'm really going to have to crunch the numbers and make some decisions to see which titles I am going to get. It always seem that when this happens, I end up missing some really good comics that I get into later (like Blue Beetle and Checkmate following Infinite Crisis, both of which took me over a year to try). I'll go with a little character loyalty (as my avatar suggests, I'll be there for Green Lantern), creator loyalty, word of mouth, and blind faith.

 

[TemporalFlux]

I saw someone mention this on another forum, and it is really the answer that's staring us all in the face (and may have even been mentioned in this thread already and I missed it). As Bob Wayne is now saying, this DC relaunch is not a continuity reboot.

And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is.

I believe DC is instead doing exactly what they did in the 1960's.

The DC universe we've known for the past 25 years since Crisis? That's now a parallel reality still hanging out there (just like they did with Earth 2 as the home of the golden age continuity). The main continuity Earth is now going to be this relaunch. We'll still see the old continuity from time to time (it may even get its own set of series in the tradition of All Star Squadron).

So looking back at JLA/JSA history of the 1980's, do we now have the annual Justice League / Justice League of America crossover to look forward to?

 

[Professor Zoom]

I saw someone mention this on another forum, and it is really the answer that's staring us all in the face (and may have even been mentioned in this thread already and I missed it). As Bob Wayne is now saying, this DC relaunch is not a continuity reboot.

And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is.

I believe DC is instead doing exactly what they did in the 1960's.

The DC universe we've known for the past 25 years since Crisis? That's now a parallel reality still hanging out there (just like they did with Earth 2 as the home of the golden age continuity). The main continuity Earth is now going to be this relaunch. We'll still see the old continuity from time to time (it may even get its own set of series in the tradition of All Star Squadron).

But how is that not a reboot? If there is the "old continuity" then this is a "new continuity." Isn't that a reboot? It's new after all.

Look at it this way: when they first created Earth 1 back in the late 50s, early 60s, wasn't that a "reboot" of the DCU. New origins, new characters. Sure, the "old" continuity was still there... but...still...

 

[Misfit Toy]

I agree that is likely Donna Troy on the JLI cover but I got to say that team lineup does nothing for me. I get a Giffen vibe from it and that era wasn't one of my favs.

If that is Donna, then the Batman is likely Dick. I'm assuming that we'll keep dual Batmen (big assumption).

I'm not sure what to make of Firestorm. Are they both A Firestorm then can Merge into a stronger Firestorm?

I don't know - the cover certainly lends itself to that idea.