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With 90 pages of comments, this might have already been mentioned, so apologies for the duplication: a writer for The Trades put out a rather strongly worded op-ed piece on the reboot that sort of sums up my feelings:

http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=12473

In a nutshell he compares his reaction to the 5 stages of grief, and while I wouldn't go so far as to say I've gone through the 5 stages myself - in the grand scheme of things, DC ruining itself isn't that big a deal to me - I have found myself experiencing a couple of these, and I'd say I'm in the acceptance phase: I'm simply enjoying the comics coming out over the last few months, and then when the reboot comes, that's the end, and I'll have plenty of older comics to enjoy. Maybe I'll spend the money I'd have normally spent on Action Comics 906 and Detective Comics and put it towards some reprints, or start buying Marvel.

That guy, who wrote the editorial... He'll be back. He's to passionate NOT to care. He'll try the reboot, just to see how "DC fucked it up." And then he'll keep buying and buying.
 
Five Stages of Grief. Heh. I've not even reached one stage yet. I guess I'm just not as perturbed by this relaunch as other fans are. I suppose I would have a much more intense reaction if it was a complete reboot and not a retaining of several bits of previous continuity.
Ha, weird. I'd be less mad about it if were a cold reboot. That would actually be understandable.
 
The funny thing about the "Five Stages of Grief" thing is that in DC's Retailer Roadshows that they've done in a couple of markets the past week, at the beginning of the presentation they make that exact joke. It even has a cool sine-wave chart that goes with it. :)

Yes, I attended the Baltimore retailer roadshow on Thursday. Hung out at the bar afterwards with DC's braintrust, too, like Geoff Johns and Jim Lee and Dan Didio.
 
DC's nowhere near "ruining itself" with this - they can go on trying to please the people they're trying to please now, and continue to publish paper comics for about as long as Warner Bros will subsidize them, or they can try to grow the consumer base by offering something new and contemporary. They're smart to go for the latter.

And the new Action #1 will be about as much of a collector's item as the old Action #whatever is - and BTW, are any of these comics actually worth jack shit as collector's items these days or do fans just keep bagging them superstitiously?
 
Comics tend to become worth a lot if they have low print runs and high popularity. These new #1s are going to have massive print runs, and they'll be available for the foreseeable future in digital format. So they'll never become collector's items.
 
Comics tend to become worth a lot if they have low print runs and high popularity.

Which means that what superhero comic published in the last quarter century has accrued sufficiently in value to be worthwhile as a "collector's item?"
The Moore/Gaiman Miracleman issues of Warrior, or their Eclipse reprints, are worth a fair bit, or at least they're sold as such. The Zenith 2000 ADs are also expensive.

That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head, and they are an extraordinarily special cases. I'm also using a slightly loose definition of quarter century.
 
Comics tend to become worth a lot if they have low print runs and high popularity.

Which means that what superhero comic published in the last quarter century has accrued sufficiently in value to be worthwhile as a "collector's item?"

None I can think of. The problem is people going out and buying issues hoping they'll be worth money in later years. Spawn #1 is a good example of this.
 
The problem is people going out and buying issues hoping they'll be worth money in later years. Spawn #1 is a good example of this.
Better example. Adventures of Superman #500, and the four Superman issues that introduced the four possible Supermen after Superman's death.

At this point, I still have at least five copies of each of those five issues. Not that I wanted that many, mind you; though I was a regular Superman reader at the time, and I bought the issues as they came out. But my comics dealer bought a fuckton of each of the issues, thinking that if Superman's death was insanely popular, so would his return. And he was left with a lot of unsold stock, and about two years later he started using the "Return of Superman" issues as bag stuffers. Thus, in fairly short order, I ended up with multiple copies of multiple issues.

This also happened with Image's Spawn/Batman crossover. He ordered more conservatively on DC's Batman/Spawn special, but on Image's he ended up with a lot left, and they, too, were used as bag stuffers. Oh, and the Deathmate crossover issues, too. I have three copies of Deathmate Black, which at one point went for decent money (it's the first appearance of Gen 13), again, as bag stuffers.

Marvel is freaking out about this. They're dropping the Uncanny X-Men and renumbering some titles.
No, what Marvel is freaking out about is the way DC has dominated the news cycle and conversation for the last month. That's new and different, and DC intends to keep the conversation on them for the next two months.

Marvel isn't sweating the sales. They know they can outproduce DC and, if necessary, bury DC by crowding out the market. (It's what they did in the early 90s. They'll do it again if they have to.) It's the news cycle that's driving them batty.
 
Marvel is freaking out about this.

Let 'em. :techman:

Comics tend to become worth a lot if they have low print runs and high popularity.

Which means that what superhero comic published in the last quarter century has accrued sufficiently in value to be worthwhile as a "collector's item?"

None I can think of. The problem is people going out and buying issues hoping they'll be worth money in later years. Spawn #1 is a good example of this.

And there's my point. "Comic collecting" is over, at least as far as the so-called "Big Two" and their product is concerned.

I've a friend a few years older than me who, in the heyday of the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide used to get the new edition every year and make a long-distance call to his mother. "Mom, you remember when you threw out all my comic books?" he'd start off, good-naturedly. "Let me tell you what some of them are worth now. Amazing Fantasy #15 - I had that one..." he'd go on. I think it was a joke between him and his mother and that she found it funny. I sure hope so, anyway.

Point is, no one took care of comics in those days - most got thumbed through, torn, passed on to the little kids down the street, thrown away. No one except the readers themselves had more than an occasional inkling that the story of Peter Parker might be more than what someone called (in reference to an entirely different fantasy series) "a crude, lower-case fantasia." That's why they were worth something, and why they're not now.
 
^ Pretty much. Current comics that are "worth something" is usually just a matter of whatever is popular with some elements of supply and demand. And that ebbs and flows constantly. For example, Captain America (Vol. 5) #1 can get somewhat pricey if trying to track it down because it is the first issue of Ed Brubaker's crazy popular and well-received run. I fully suspect in a few years, after Brubaker moves on, that issue will drop in price as the collector search for/interest in it will decrease.

Now, maybe in, say, 100 years from now, today's comics might be worth something (unlikely, but you never know what will happen after the fourth world war and when the space reptiles invade). However, that isn't going to do any good for today's collectors hoping to get rich off them.

I know when I collect various #1s or "milestone" issues, I mainly do it for the novelty it represents. I bag it because I like to keep my stuff in good condition and it is nice to have a hobby.
 
Point is, no one took care of comics in those days - most got thumbed through, torn, passed on to the little kids down the street, thrown away.

That's kind of what I do with comics now. I read them, lend them to friends, reread them etc. I never bag and board. All my issues are still in readable condition, and if they ever get to a state where they're not, I'll get the trades with those issues in.
 
Now, maybe in, say, 100 years from now, today's comics might be worth something (unlikely, but you never know what will happen after the fourth world war and when the space reptiles invade). However, that isn't going to do any good for today's collectors hoping to get rich off them.

I, for one, welcome our new comic-collecting reptile overlords.
 
@Starbreaker...inaccurate information there. Marvel is not "dropping" Uncanny X-Men in a response to the DC relaunch. They're doing this as part of their upcoming (and pre-planned) story arc called X-Men: Schism. After Schism concludes there will be two main X-titles....a relaunched "Uncanny X-Men #1" and "Wolverine and the X-Men". The story of Schism features a literal schism between Logan and Scott. I don't know what other titles you are referring to that are getting renumbered.
 
Maybe they can bring back the blue and gold x-teams... that worked so well.
That's basically what they're doing. When Schism (which Marvel is calling the X-Men equivalent of Civil War) is over, Cyclops will have his team and Wolverine will have his team. Unlike the early 90s Blue/Gold team dynamic, though, the new X-Men teams will have different motives and goals.
 
Maybe they can bring back the blue and gold x-teams... that worked so well.
That's basically what they're doing. When Schism (which Marvel is calling the X-Men equivalent of Civil War) is over, Cyclops will have his team and Wolverine will have his team. Unlike the early 90s Blue/Gold team dynamic, though, the new X-Men teams will have different motives and goals.

Which from what I've heard sounds like Team Cyclops = Brotherhood of Evil Mutants with delusions of grandeur, while Team Wolverine = X-men with Wolverine in charge.
 
Thats hilarious since Wolverine is still going around and killing people he doesn't like. The choices seem more like a Magneto wannabe and Magneto-lite.
 
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