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DC Teases Flashpoint

Lois and Clark have been effectively separated since the start of the World of New Krypton storyline when Clark decided to live among his people. Then JMS came aboard "Superman" and decided to do "Grounded" for a year instead of one arc. Superman just came back in "Action Comics" but I guess Cornell will be ending his run with this stupid Reign of Doomsday storyline. So yeah aside from the occasional appearance Lois has barely seen Clark in the last two years worth of stories.

I'm almost inclined just to stick to reading "Flashpoint" at this point and ignore everything else if they're just all going to be wrapped up. I'm getting a little nervous about the announcement. LOL.
 
It seems like it. I remember when there would be whole issues of the Justice League devoted to a date or goofy dreams or a casino opening. Those were the days.

And in the Superman comics, the supporting characters had arcs - Perry's cancer, the adoption of Keith, the death of Cat's son etc.
 
I do tend to think one of the biggest changes after Flashpoint will be that the Clark and Lois marriage never happened. The reinstatement of the Clark/Lois/Superman love triangle might be favorable to some and totally unnecessary for others...

It would do a tremendous disservice to the character of Lois Lane - relegating her back to nigh-moron status - when she should be viewed as Clark's greatest strength.
She really isn't used that way now. Lois and Clark have been apart more than they've been together. At times she seems little more like an occasional booty call even, IMO...

Just like a real marriage!

:guffaw:

Sorry - couldn't resist that...
 
It seems like it. I remember when there would be whole issues of the Justice League devoted to a date or goofy dreams or a casino opening. Those were the days.

And in the Superman comics, the supporting characters had arcs - Perry's cancer, the adoption of Keith, the death of Cat's son etc.

You mean those days when reading comics was fun? (Ok, maybe not fun in regards to Perry's cancer...)

Comics are boring now, for the most part. I used to get involved with characters, now everything seems like it's just Big Event after Big Event... I miss stories.
 
^ Considering the only times I read GL have been during "Events" it's rare to see any of heroes have any downtime. I agree that it does seem to be about events and plot instead of sub-text and character. This is why I love Grant Morrison's Batman so much as I think he pays attention to all of these things. Is Hal still dating Cow Girl?
 
It seems like it. I remember when there would be whole issues of the Justice League devoted to a date or goofy dreams or a casino opening. Those were the days.

And in the Superman comics, the supporting characters had arcs - Perry's cancer, the adoption of Keith, the death of Cat's son etc.

Those stories were boring. I had the misfortune of having recently read them and they felt like a soap opera of the lives of people I had absolutely no interest in. The only good story from that era was one where Superman gets trapped by Dominus in the Golden, Silver and Bronze versions of his life otherwise everything else was just meh.
 
This is the part of the thread where I vomit nostalgia on your shoes:

Out of spite, I've been invading my old Flash stacks. You know who's great? Wally West.

FLASH #129: It's amazing: there's an issue Waid and Augustyn did with Neron that uses the exact the same plot device as One More Day, except it has a happy, if maybe awesomely ridiculous, twist ending: taking Linda's love makes Neron feel bad for all the people in Hell and he can't stand it! The power of love makes the Devil want to puke! It's a good kind of stupid.

FLASH #135: On the other hand, there's the bad kind of stupid. The courtroom battle for the fates of Heat Wave, Sonar, and some loser named Hatchet reminded me that Morrison and Millar tend to write in heightened reality because it's a lot easier than learning how anything actually works.

Since this is the climax of a Green Lantern/Green Arrow/Flash crossover that tells the ending of a pure fight story as a bad courtroom scene--a device Marz and Dixon did not use and were almost certainly unaware of--it also reminded me that they don't know how to work well with other people and prefer to spend their time high-fiving each other in sex clubs in Glasgow or wherever it is they live.

FLASH #136-138: "The Human Race," however, is really great. Krakkl made me cry. :(

FLASH #130-163: Does anyone know whatever happened to Steve Lightle? Interior artist Pop Mhan might be the nadir of comic art in general and even the better Flash artists from the mid-100s weren't terribly great, but (with a few missteps, like the first and last, actually) Lightle did some really beautiful, because-I-love-the-way-you-lie covers. Interestingly, his style is really contemporary. He reminds me of somebody, but I'm not sure who--a cartoonier Jae Lee or J.H. Williams? An inkier Cassaday?

(He also remembers that Linda Park is Korean! Bonus points!)

FLASH #15: Then there's the even older, Messner-Loeb Flashes where Wally gets the living crap beat out of him constantly, loses his powers and all his money, feels guilty about adultery, still has his harpy of a mom around, and just generally mopes. If you weren't sure, you could probably be convinced they were Daredevil comics and Matt Murdock's just wearing his hair a little long. This is great. Plus they're drawn by Greg LaRocque, who appears to realize panel layouts are important! Early Flash was a double threat!

It's a little clever, it's well-drawn, it spends five pages on Wally West having a fight with his mom and his girlfriend and two pages on Wally West getting his face kicked in by a man on drugs. Is this what they call the Golden Mean?

FLASH #16: Wally goes to a hospital to visit sick kids. I swear this is actual dialogue--

Small child who probably has cancer: If there was race 'tween you and Superman, who'd win?
Wally: Well... he would, I guess.
Small child who probably has cancer: What if there was a race 'tween you and the old Flash?!
Wally: He's dead.

Wally is desperately telephoned by his landlord, who has just thrown him out of his apartment for failure to pay rent. Again, actual dialogue--

Evil landlord: [Vandal Savage] took my daughter!... If I go to the police, he'll know! God, West, they're going to torture my baby! You're my last hope!
Wally: I'm sorry, Wally West doesn't live here anymore. He's been evicted. [hangs up] Say, Mom, anything to eat? I'm starved.

Ladies and gentleman: I rest my case. Wally West is the best character in comics history.
 
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^Yep, Wally is much more interesting than white bread Allen.
And then in the next issue, he only agrees to save the daughter for money. Then there's a shootout with Vandal Savage's goons, following which Wally casually admits to a friend of his mom and a romantic rival that he considered letting the Chief Goon's bloodthirsty moll, who tried to kill him, escape justice in exchange for her offer of a blowjob in an alley. He isn't joking.
 
Been a while since the last update. Gotta say that this has to be the most fucked up alternate universe anyone has ever created. This world is dark, violent, and depressing. DC has accomplished making their characters unrecognizable in this reality. I don't think I've disliked an "event" as much as "Flashpoint". Think I've pretty much made up my mind not to continue reading this.
 
I've been reading some of the Flashpoint issues. I don't think they've gone far enough to exploit the alternative universe. They've largely dropped the ball with this whole Cyborg being the Superman of this universe. He doesn't even have a solo series. Grodd and Canterbury Cricket have books, but not the "Superman", the main hero of this world? And Cy is taking a back seat to Batman and Flash, and after the events of Flashpoint #3, he's definitely will be backburner. It's also strange that Flash doesn't quite feel like he is the main character either, though this should be his event.

Beyond that, I liked the idea of a Amazon-Atlantean War, and I like Wonder Woman's armored look. Don't get why they call Aquaman, Emperor Aquaman, it just sounds dumb. Why not Emperor Arthur-his real name? I've enjoyed the Batman storyline the best, and I'm intrigued by the Outsider. I don't think he has a 'real' world DCAU equivalent.
 
I've enjoyed the Batman storyline the best, and I'm intrigued by the Outsider. I don't think he has a 'real' world DCAU equivalent.
Back in the '60s, the Outsider was a damaged/altered Alfred Pennyworth. He had been 'killed off' in the Batman books, and the Outsider was DC's way of bringing him back.
 
He's Grant Morrison - no really.
That's what I heard. That's kind of cool, I guess, but it would be way cooler if it were straight-up King Mob. I would totally pay money to see him fight Batman.

(And isn't "Justice League Invisible" just a much better name than "Justice League Dark"?)
 
One of the things that I think is holding Flashpoint back (aside from the fact that it's just not very good), is that it's a big event book that will have Huge Consequences, but the entire rest of the DCU in ignoring it. The entire world has been changed...except...no it hasn't. in 99.9% of the world it's business as usual. The only thing that makes this seem remotely important is that we know it leads to the Re-launched DCU. If that little nugget hadn't dropped before the second issue hit do you think anyone would still be reading this series?
 
@Dar Kush Vic has a supporting role in the Lois Lane Resistance tie-ins. The tie-ins actually do a lot to flesh out the rest of the world and provide major back story on it. The first issues of some of the tie in books actually were practically flash back stories. The only tie-in that I really am enjoying is the Thomas Wayne book. The main story in Flashpoint is okay I guess. I'm just less excited than I previously one, oh and the identity of the Joker was a fine reveal.
 
The thing I wonder... How much stuff did the Reverse Flash change? I couldn't have just been the murder of Barry's mom... would that REALLY such a wide ranging effect? There's got to be more... but in the Reverse Flash one shot, that seems to have been the only thing.
 
I think it was the butterfly effect. One event was changed and everything else changed too. I doubt it was Barry's mom since she is alive in Flashpoint.

Maybe he stopped Jay Garrick from becoming the Flash?
 
I think it was the butterfly effect. One event was changed and everything else changed too. I doubt it was Barry's mom since she is alive in Flashpoint.

Maybe he stopped Jay Garrick from becoming the Flash?

There was a line in one of the Flashpoint books about a great Society almost forming, but they weren't fast enough. I paraphrase, but that's the gist of it.

Maybe he went down the timeline taking out speedsters?
 
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