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Nerys Myk said:
And was everything hunky-dory afterwards? How did all the other heroes in NYC react? (Outside of the X-books). There in lies the trouble with all the heores in one city. Magneto can commit acts of genocide in NYC in X-Men, but in FF or Avengers its like it never happened.
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The other major heroes were tricked in to leaving the city and then Magneto stopped them from returning by putting up a magnetic shield, IIRC.

The "death" and subsequent return of Magneto in Chris Claremont's relaunched Excalibur title fed in to the Avengers Disassembled storyline when the "real" Magneto returned from Genosha to claim his daughter.

That led to the House of M and later Decimation, which made the Skrull invasion feasible. Ultimately, the repercussions of Planet X are still being felt even with the Dark Reign and The Siege.
 
Nerys Myk said:
The " I hate him, he's an alien" take is recent and barely scratches the surface of Lex Luthor. Even the evil scientist version is more complicated than that.
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Even his 90s and early 2000s business man Luthor is more complicated than that.
 
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Anwar said:
A while back, Magneto (actually an imposter) trashed NYC, turned it into "New Genosha" and forced lots of baseline humans to go into gas chambers to make room for the new mutants overlords.
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The impostor part is up for some debate - and I mean debate on the same level as "Han Shot First" or "Deckerd's a Replicant".
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Well on one of those there is no debate. Han did shoot first.
 
I like Norman and the Green Goblin, just not the more recent version of the character. Like him as a guy trying to control the underworld and cause Spider-man grief.
 
I think a character like Norman deserves to be an A-list baddie for the whole Marvelverse like Kingpin, Doc Ock, Red Skull, Doom and Magneto (though he doesn't match those two in raw power). Really, the only issue people have with him in charge of Dark Reign is that he's never ventured outside of tormenting Spidey and been baddie for anyone else. Now he's doing it.
 
You dont have to be a worldbeater to be A-Class. I think the Green Goblin has more in common with the Joker than Doom or Magneto.
 
Well, he's supposed to act the way mythological goblins act so any connection to Joker is coincidental.

Norman Osborn himself is A-lister similar to Doom, but the Goblin is more akin to a Joker who actually has tons of weaponry and resources instead of just random plot contrivance escapes and such.

Hell, Punisher would've killed Joker and ended his threat then and there if Batman hadn't stopped him. Joker was SCARED almost.
 
That's EXACTLY the scene that made me realize what a great character Frank is for the Batverse. He's the enemy to the criminals AND to Batman and Gordon, yet because of how crappy Gotham is he's likely to have plenty of public and secret police support for informants and arms.

He's like if Two-Face became a vigilante instead of a villain, if you want him to be a GCPD officer who just couldn't take it anymore after his family bought it. Heck, he could've been a good hero cop Gordon and Batman trusted.
 
Anwar said:
Well, he's supposed to act the way mythological goblins act so any connection to Joker is coincidental.

Norman Osborn himself is A-lister similar to Doom, but the Goblin is more akin to a Joker who actually has tons of weaponry and resources instead of just random plot contrivance escapes and such.

Hell, Punisher would've killed Joker and ended his threat then and there if Batman hadn't stopped him. Joker was SCARED almost.
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I think Norman is out of depth when trying to play with guys like Doom. It will probably be his downfall.
 
But you could say that about Red Skull or Kingpin as well, doesn't make any less an A-Lister.

Hell, if Luthor or Joker tried to play with guys like Doom or Loki they'd just get annihilated too. Remember what happened to Luthor in "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"
 
^Ha, welcome to the new Brainiac-Luthor Team.

Really, other than the Punisher/Batman thing--and if they ever wanted to just hard-reboot Two-Face, I think the above-mentioned idea would very interesting--I think a fully combined universe would be way, way too crowded.

As for whoever said that the resurrection of old favorites is necessary for sales, I can speak only for myself, but it's kept a lot of my money from going into DC's coffers. No matter how cool the more recent Green Lantern stuff is supposed to be, every time I see Hal Jordan, I'm just disgusted. Now, I liked Hal Jordan. But he went crazy, and he redeemed himself sort of, and then he died. (And then he came back as the Spectre, which I didn't really care for, but the Spectre's one of those characters that are really cool, but are pretty much totally unworkable--even Ostrander's often-great series was nonetheless extremely uneven.)

(And regarding the Spectre, how would he react to Galactus? : / )

Anyway, I don't even know what Kyle Rayner is supposed to be anymore. I mean, I know he's Ion, but I don't know what that means.

And Barry Allen returning as the Flash? Stupidest thing I've ever seen, and beyond pointless.

And I liked Connor Hawke, too. Sure, Ollie was great, but he is dead.

The great thing about DC, both on its own merits and versus Marvel as well, used to be their ability to pull off legacy heroes. What happened? Christ, if DC had the legal ability to, I bet they'd bring Morpheus back.
 
Anwar said:
But you could say that about Red Skull or Kingpin as well, doesn't make any less an A-Lister.

Hell, if Luthor or Joker tried to play with guys like Doom or Loki they'd just get annihilated too. Remember what happened to Luthor in "Whatever happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"
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Do you see me saying they wouldn't? Like I said you don't have to be an world beater to be an A-list villain. Guys like the Joker and the Goblin work best doing their A-List villainy on the "Local" level.

Disagree about Luthor. He's every bit as smart as Doom and probably less honorable. Doesn't have to hide behind diplomatic immunity either.;)
 
Heh, perhaps Luthor would also have been one of Reed and Victor's science classmates at college?

At least now DC would get a serious villain boost with the Marvel baddies.
 
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I'm pretty sure that, aside from the Apokolips crew, Marvel has more impressive big-time baddies. Remember that "Army of villains" Alex Luthor assembled for Infinite Crisis? Magneto, Apocalypse or Doctor Doom would've wiped out ALL those guys by themselves.
 
The inner circle of the Society was pretty badass. I'd put Deathstroke against Doom, Black Adam against Magneto, or Alexander Luthor against Apocalypse any time.

Of course, the most direct analogues of the Marvel characters would fare poorly--Dr. Polaris is no Magneto, Vandal Savage would (probably)* get his ass kicked by En Sabah, and the thought of Rumaan Harjvati going up against Dr. Doom just makes me really sad. :(

*Although I've always seen Savage's most direct Marvel competitor as the Master of the World, for obvious reasons.

Marvel's villains are, perhaps, on balance more interesting, but the power levels are certainly present on the DC side--which is probably a result of DC's heroes, on balance, being more powerful.
 
Anwar said:
I'm pretty sure that, aside from the Apokolips crew, Marvel has more impressive big-time baddies. Remember that "Army of villains" Alex Luthor assembled for Infinite Crisis? Magneto, Apocalypse or Doctor Doom would've wiped out ALL those guys by themselves.
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Luthor himself could handle all three if he put his mind to it and wanted to get his hands dirty. Hell, he'd just point Black Adam in their direction and say "sic-em" then lay back and watch the carnage. Adam might even have a grudge against Apocalypse. Calculator is genius level hacker who could probably take over Doom's armor with a keystroke. Dr Psycho is Xavier level telepath who's completely immoral. Talia command the tech, power and fortunes of the League of Asassins. And once again there is Black Adam, a Superman level powerhouse fueled by the Gods who has Bronze Age Warrior attitude.
 
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I'd say Doom is as smart as Luthor. And since Doom has stolen the powers of Silver Surfer and Beyonder (while clashing with Mephisto), all Black Adam would do is make himself a nice treat. He takes on Gods without a sweat. I cannot believe that Calculator is capable of cracking Doom's armor when Stark and Reed Richards can't.

And telepaths are no use on him either. Otherwise Xavier would have dealt with him a while back. Telepathy is blocked via the armor and his magic.

I can see a team of Luthor, Brainiac, Vandal Savage and possibly Deathstroke giving Doom trouble if they went all out. But for the most part the rest of those guys go down. Kirby's overlords are not easy targets ;). Doom was pretty much the earthbound prototype for Darkseid, and we know how easily HE would've handled those villains.

DC's heroes look good partially from the greater power, and from their villains not always being up to bat. Heroes look powerful from weaker enemies.
 
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