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DC and Marvel merged

Sinister is old enough that it would make sense for him and/or Apocalypse to have started Cadmus in the first place (in fact, it was to be revealed that Apocalypse started Weapon X).

When Onslaught happened, and the merged world was deprived of several heroes, what DC villains would Zemo have used in the first version of the Thunderbolts?

Would Age of Apocalypse have become "Age of Savage" or something?
 
Christopher said:
Nerys Myk said:
Miss America brings up the duplication of names. Both companies have a Miss America. I guess one needs to change their name to Runner Up. :)
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Oh yeah, that's right, and what about the Captains Marvel?

But then, even in the Marvel U alone, there have been a couple of people named Captain Marvel, consecutively if not simultaneously. And plenty of other hero names have been reused within each company. There have been multiple Flashes, Green Lanterns, Captains America, etc. So duplication of names maybe isn't a problem.
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The Misses America would prolly have a running joke with each other about the whole thing. The Manhunters in the ASQ actually complained to the Manhunter cult about each other during 'Millennium'. Originally, Roy Thomas had DC-Miss A killed off during Pearl Harbor, IIRC, but Post-CrisisOIE merely became comatose, and went on to raise Lyta Trevor aka Fury.
Now we have Miss America-MU who at one time was believed to have been the mother of Wanda and Pietro, and Miss A-DC, the adoptive mother of Fury. In their respective realms, all 3 went nuts and caused huge chaos. I see some openings there. Maybe have Madeline Joyce (MA-MU) be friends with MA-DC, and inspired by her loss at Pearl Harbor. Bob Frank-Whizzer is another of Max Mercury's speed projects, AND one of his nom de guerres was Quicksilver, leading to Bob's adopted son taking the name.

Any such merger should be blatantly used to pop out character derailments like these 3 kids suffered.

As to Frank Castle : Before becoming the Punisher but after his family's loss, he did a stint in the GCPD, and even worked with Batman, who is later enraged to learn that Frank used his time there to prepare for his all-out war, including learning at the feet of Mister Crazy-Prepared himself.
 
I'd think Frank would work out as Batman's second biggest enemy after the Joker. Frank would pretty much make Gotham his HQ with all the targets there. Worse, even though Batman and Gordon are after him Frank would have public support and agents throughout the city willing to help him, inform him and arm him. And whenever he gets caught, sympathetic cops would let him out. All because they think his approach is far better for Gotham than Batman.
 
Rather than trying to actively come up with ways to merge the two universes, I decided to take a look at the two companies' rosters, pick characters who were equivalent to each other, and create 'alternate company' versions of some of their more famous teams (like the JLA, Avengers, etc.).

JLA
[DC] (Justice League of America)
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Green Arrow
Hawkgirl
Black Canary
Zatanna
Red Tornado

[Marvel] (Judgment League Avengers)
Wonder Man
Daredevil
Thundrs
Bluestreak
Nova
Submariner
The Skrull
Hawkeye
Falcon
Songbird
Scarlet Witch
Vision

X-Men
[Marvel]
Cyclops
Iceman
Jean Grey
Nightcrawler
Wolverine
Colossus
Shadowcat
Rogue


[DC] (Zen Men) (Based on the Legion of Superheroes, Doom Patrol, and the 'Zen Men' from Earth-8)
Wildfire
Polar Boy
Saturn Girl
Changeling (Beast Boy)
Lobo
Ferro Lad
Phantom Girl
Faith

Fantastic Four
[Marvel]
Mr. Fantastic
The Thing
Human Torch
Invisible Woman

[DC] (Doom Patrol)
Elongated Man
Robotman
Fire
Invisible Kid

Edited: added Wonder Man, Thundra, and Wildfire as per a suggestion instead of Hyperion, Power Princess, and Negative Man
 
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If they merged the universes, they should make it a catostrophic event and leave the histories of the two worlds alone.
 
Negative Man (closest thing I could find to Cyclops)
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I'd use Wildfire.

Hyperion and Power Princess are a bit of cheat since they are pastiches of Superman and Wonder Woman. I'd use Valkyrie or Thundra for Wonder Woman. For Superman there's the Sentry, Gladiator or even Wonder Man.
 
Davros said:
If they merged the universes, they should make it a catostrophic event and leave the histories of the two worlds alone.
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I've always had this in mind : All the big barely averted events in both U's accumulate, causing chaos that flows back to 1985. Both Secret Wars II and COIE's finales came out in the same week. As the Beyonder and Anti-Monitor are about to disperse for the last time, this accumulated chaos causes a rip through which the two notice each other, and battle, shattering the fragile realities around them. Unlike the Amalgam, there is no guiding hand to recombine the characters and situations, no one is holding it together, and no one notices 'Boy, it sure is weird to see Docs Strange and Fate gabbing--like it wasn't supposed to be'.

Again, have a lot of it figured out. Did Shazam empower Black Adam to oppose Rama-Tut and maybe Apocalypse? Did a young wandering Bruce Wayne encounter Logan? Maybe the Waynes were saved before Bruce was born by Peter Parker's parents?

Allow for AU's from the start. This way, if someone gets a great idea set in older continuities, it has a place to go.
 
Gojirob said:
Davros said:
If they merged the universes, they should make it a catostrophic event and leave the histories of the two worlds alone.
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I've always had this in mind : All the big barely averted events in both U's accumulate, causing chaos that flows back to 1985. Both Secret Wars II and COIE's finales came out in the same week. As the Beyonder and Anti-Monitor are about to disperse for the last time, this accumulated chaos causes a rip through which the two notice each other, and battle, shattering the fragile realities around them. Unlike the Amalgam, there is no guiding hand to recombine the characters and situations, no one is holding it together, and no one notices 'Boy, it sure is weird to see Docs Strange and Fate gabbing--like it wasn't supposed to be'.

Again, have a lot of it figured out. Did Shazam empower Black Adam to oppose Rama-Tut and maybe Apocalypse? Did a young wandering Bruce Wayne encounter Logan? Maybe the Waynes were saved before Bruce was born by Peter Parker's parents?

Allow for AU's from the start. This way, if someone gets a great idea set in older continuities, it has a place to go.
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Thats the way it should go. Don't get hung up on the past. That sort of thinking threw the Post Crisis DCU off course
 
Aquaman was actually crowned King, whereas Namor is still technically a Prince. And Arthur has always managed his Atlantis better, so while the people support him as King Namor is the head of a resistance to dethrone him as fitting his earlier villain portrayal. But then when Arthur loses his hand and all that, they find they have more in common personality-wise...

Martian Manhunter might wonder if there's a connection between the martians and the Skrulls. Both being green shape-shifters.

Lois, Clark, Jimmy and Perry would work at the Planet's Bugle which is published by Jameson. Perry working as Co-Editor with Robbie.
 
I'd rather the Planet and Bugle be rivals. With Perry and JJJ tossing insults at each other.
Peter loses a scoop to Jimmy and JJJ fires him. Ben Urich gets a story Lois was working on, so she sends him something nasty.
 
Huh, in the comics Peter worked at the Daily Globe for a while when Jameson fired him from the Bugle. Maybe he gets a job at the Planet and works for them for a time instead and acquaints himself with Clark, Lois and has a rivalry with Jimmy.

And when Norman buys the Bugle he also does the same to the Planet and merges them together until he's exposed and becomes Thunderbolt leader.
 
Normans smart enough to know that newspapers are a bad investment. ;)

I can see Peter doing a gig a the Planet while on the outs with JJJ. I'm sure the Bugle and Planet staffs know each other, since they're in the same business. Probably stand right next to each other at most press conferences. And hit the same bars afterwards.
 
I could see the Daily Planet (at first) refusing to hire Pete because of his complicity in trashing Spider-Man's reputation with lies. Clark would step in, though (knowing Pete actually is Spider-Man).
 
Huh, it just occurred to me...wouldn't Peter have wanted to go work for the Planet in the first place for NOT being so biased against Spidey? What's to keep him from always working there?
 
^Jameson irrationally paid Parker well for pictures of Spider-Man to run alongside his frequent articles bashing him. Other newspapers may not be so obsessed with criticising him and thus wouldn't want as many photos.
 
Anwar said:
Huh, it just occurred to me...wouldn't Peter have wanted to go work for the Planet in the first place for NOT being so biased against Spidey? What's to keep him from always working there?
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The Bugle is in New York, near his entire family and friends and Spider-Man's base of operations. I don't see Peter uprooting himself that easily.
 
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