ST-One
Vice Admiral
Nope. No such attempt.
Daedalus specs
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Nope. No such attempt.
Actually I was whining specifically about the lack of the nice red pennants, the blue glowy things only being mentioned as the cause for the lack thereof. Which is why I rotated the engines on the Grand Alliance - so I could put nice red pennants where they belong.
I now await your next overreaction to my initial overreaction.
I now await your next overreaction to my initial overreaction.
btw, I'm sure anyone interested enough in Trek tech to build models or draw starships is aware that the design and marking paradigms are different between TOS and TNG-era ships, and that one must generally follow such rules.
One of the marking standards I liked about TOS was the starfleet pennant on the nacelle. I'm a fan of graphics.
One of those design rules that I don't like is the introduction of grilles (glowy or non-glowy) in TMP-era ships, because they eliminated the possibility of those lovely graphic devices. The further development of those grilles into blue glowy apertures that blotted out the whole lateral surface of the nacelle is the one design element I dislike about the TNG era. Hence my occasional effort to work around it, while still trying to adhere to TNG design rules.
One of my many dislikes about the NX-01 was the application, once again, of the blue glowy apertures. It's my personal preference for pre-TOS ships to follow the TOS pattern of limiting the grille to the inner nacelle surface, and applying a pennant and/or registry number to the outer surface.
Hence my slight overreaction to the Daedalus graphic above (which, aside from the glowy blue nacelles, is quite nice), which seems to have spurred ST-One into a righteous rage.
Carry on.
One of the marking standards I liked about TOS was the starfleet pennant on the nacelle. I'm a fan of graphics.
One of those design rules that I don't like is the introduction of grilles (glowy or non-glowy) in TMP-era ships, because they eliminated the possibility of those lovely graphic devices. The further development of those grilles into blue glowy apertures that blotted out the whole lateral surface of the nacelle is the one design element I dislike about the TNG era. Hence my occasional effort to work around it, while still trying to adhere to TNG design rules.
One of my many dislikes about the NX-01 was the application, once again, of the blue glowy apertures. It's my personal preference for pre-TOS ships to follow the TOS pattern of limiting the grille to the inner nacelle surface, and applying a pennant and/or registry number to the outer surface.
Hence my slight overreaction to the Daedalus graphic above (which, aside from the glowy blue nacelles, is quite nice), which seems to have spurred ST-One into a righteous rage.
Carry on.
Then you should like what Drexler did with his ship for the new calender, didn't he cover up the outside grills?
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Sure
As evidenced by my... wow... four lines of text in response to your posts.
Just so as you know, I too prefer the less is more approach with the glowy bits (the nacelles on the Jefferies/Probert-design for TMP and the Church-design for Star Trek).
ST-One
Vice Admiral
You know I generally hate to give warnings, and this has nothing to do with the topic.
Tough to argue with that.
...Although I'd like to take the opportunity to once again nitpick the placement of the running lights in this starship as well as several other fan beauties. If you have greens to starboard and reds to port, you should make sure that the greens aren't visible from port or the reds from starboard... That is, the running lights on the nacelles are either positioned wrong or then insufficiently shrouded.
Personally, I don't feel the Daedalus as thrown together by Jein really needs to be touched up or made more handsome. Starfleet always has a place for ships that look awkward, vulnerable and ill suited for the rigors of space. Oberth fills that niche in the TNG era; Daedalus could do the job in the ENT era.
Timo Saloniemi
Personally, I don't feel the Daedalus as thrown together by Jein really needs to be touched up or made more handsome. Starfleet always has a place for ships that look awkward, vulnerable and ill suited for the rigors of space. Oberth fills that niche in the TNG era; Daedalus could do the job in the ENT era.
Timo Saloniemi
Anyway, here's the schematic:
I agree that it should look as if it was a 22d century schematic.
Okay, but that's not an image from Illustrator or anything like that. It's just a screenshot from one of my LCARS computers, which renders all these things in 24th-century style, using an LCARS-specific markup language similar to HTML. Pressing the arrow keys changes which callout pointer is highlighted in blue, F2 zooms it, F9 opens an editor so the user can make changes, and Ctrl-F! spits out a .png of the screen, which is what you see here.
It will render anything I like if I type in very detailed instructions, but its predefined macros are for 24th-century LCARS style. Wtihout using those, just to draw one curved line you have to give it x and y coordinates of four points, after having specified thickness and color. So making it 23rd-century style would be a lot of extra work. Besides, this will become part of the system's library, and it is in conformity with that.
It will render anything I like if I type in very detailed instructions, but its predefined macros are for 24th-century LCARS style. Wtihout using those, just to draw one curved line you have to give it x and y coordinates of four points, after having specified thickness and color. So making it 23rd-century style would be a lot of extra work. Besides, this will become part of the system's library, and it is in conformity with that.
Well, most Trek fans that would want it can't use my LCARS system, because it requires an old Pentium computer rescued from the trash, but I have put two galleries of these schematic screenshots on my Web site. Cygnus has enlarged images of the first 60 of the Trek-related ones for anyone to see (although some of those are old versions), but not the ones of real space hardware. But even the schematics of NASA stuff or ENT stufff are all in 24th-century style, just as they would be on Captain Janeway's readyroom computer if she were looking at an overview of some historic vessel.
Other schematics partially done at the moment are Niagara class, Centaur class, Sydney class, Type-11 shuttlecraft, orbital inspection pod (from ENT), and Epoch class (the Aeon timeship). But with so many already covered, I'm sort of running out of ships to add to the library.
Other schematics partially done at the moment are Niagara class, Centaur class, Sydney class, Type-11 shuttlecraft, orbital inspection pod (from ENT), and Epoch class (the Aeon timeship). But with so many already covered, I'm sort of running out of ships to add to the library.
The Daedalus looks good now (but not too good, which keeps her in character!). I wonder, though... On a ship of that primitive era, mightn't the power system be even more extensive, filling up all of the secondary hull with objects that are too large to fit on one deck? The deck structure around these objects could still be shown.
Also, the turboshaft eats into the features that can be shown - but it doesn't look as if there would be room for a turboshaft of that sort on this ship. That is, the row of windows on the neck tube would probably call for corridor-style access, perhaps with a functional room of some sort halfway between the hulls to explain the portside double row of portholes at that point. There would be physical room for a turboshaft and port and starboard porthole-equipped corridors, yes, but that layout would probably be wasteful.
On a ship this small, old, and unlikely to make a screen appearance that would dramatically require turbolifts, perhaps the shafts could be omitted altogether?
As for ships that might be depicted, there are always the Franz Joseph destroyers, scouts, tugs and dreadnoughts that make a brief "near-canonical" appearance on assorted TOS movie computer screens. And of the "BoBW" kitbashes, you could still do the Freedom one-naceller and the Springfield highlighter-nacelled multi-huller, if not the more obscure and less detailed Excelsior study models. But gotta agree, your material already represents quite a big wedge of the Trek pie!
Timo Saloniemi
Also, the turboshaft eats into the features that can be shown - but it doesn't look as if there would be room for a turboshaft of that sort on this ship. That is, the row of windows on the neck tube would probably call for corridor-style access, perhaps with a functional room of some sort halfway between the hulls to explain the portside double row of portholes at that point. There would be physical room for a turboshaft and port and starboard porthole-equipped corridors, yes, but that layout would probably be wasteful.
On a ship this small, old, and unlikely to make a screen appearance that would dramatically require turbolifts, perhaps the shafts could be omitted altogether?
As for ships that might be depicted, there are always the Franz Joseph destroyers, scouts, tugs and dreadnoughts that make a brief "near-canonical" appearance on assorted TOS movie computer screens. And of the "BoBW" kitbashes, you could still do the Freedom one-naceller and the Springfield highlighter-nacelled multi-huller, if not the more obscure and less detailed Excelsior study models. But gotta agree, your material already represents quite a big wedge of the Trek pie!
Timo Saloniemi
About the Springfield class, bmused55 did one, but it's not one I'm really looking forward to dealing with. Then again, I avoided the Daedalus until this thread came up and sort of unexpectedly got caught up in it. I probably will do the Freedom class before too long, although I haven't looked closely at it yet and have no idea what problems lie in wait.
Springfield class by bmused55 (third MSD down):
http://lcarsgfx.wordpress.com/page/2/
About the Daedalus turboshafts, I figure that what you see is all there is, with perhaps no laterally connected shafts. But with the shuttle bay so far from the bridge, it seems convenient to have turbolift service along that route.
Springfield class by bmused55 (third MSD down):
http://lcarsgfx.wordpress.com/page/2/
About the Daedalus turboshafts, I figure that what you see is all there is, with perhaps no laterally connected shafts. But with the shuttle bay so far from the bridge, it seems convenient to have turbolift service along that route.
