Daedalus specs

[Bill Morris]

I don't even see a deflector dish attached to the engineering hull, just a bottle cap. As such, the shield grid might do the work of a navigational deflector, as has been suggested for ships like the Miranda class, for example. This is sometimes thought to be perhaps the first warp-7 ship, in light of ENT. So one would expect a big deflector dish, perhaps built into the front of the sphere.

But that raises the question of what I should show inside the bottle cap in the MSD besides a bit ball of cotton.

 

[Timo]

Could be that the main powerplant is in there, only halfway inside the hull proper, with direct radiator access to space for better cooling... That would also put the powerplant close to the engine pylon stems.

And I don't have the Chronology. More references might be helpful.

The only thing the book has to offer is lit images of the model (although it appears the lights are added in postprod, i.e. photoshopped in, not created by lighting the actual model from inside).

There are two or three forward-quarter views that tell us nothing new, except that the portholes do glow white when in shadow, while appearing black when in starlight. Also, the portholes appear to be asymmetric; for example portside neck has a double row of them, starboard a single row only.

There is also a single image from aft quarter, and it shows that the grilleworks at the aft ends of the nacelles glow blue. The series of holes on the rim of the secondary hull stern might be impulse engines, but they are not shown glowing in any color. The series of square plates in the middle of the stern are unlit as well, while three portholes above this rectangular feature are lit, plus one porthole below the aft pennant. Oh, and at least part of the top dome (bridge?) glows in this photo, whereas in others only the portholes on that dome glow (when in shadow) and the dome itself appears opaque gray. But the glow in the aft-quarter photo might be from a brightly flashing navigational beacon of some sort, too.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Forbin]

I did a slight improvement/variation on the design by slapping a Dick tracy Space coupe and a Jetson's saucer together and jaming some Space Shuttle boosters on it:

http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage_reeses.html

 

[Bill Morris]

Good grief, Forbin.! Does it have ballast in the engineering hull to keep it upright when floating in the bathtub?

 

[Forbin]

Actually, yeah . I had to stick a 4" long 1/2" bolt back there to balance it on its stand.

 

[Unicron]

I probably shouldn't chuckle at the name, but I do. What'd you use for the alien ship?

 

[Bill Morris]

Here it is fixed up a bit. I'll label it later, after taking care of any corrections it may need.

 

[Cicero]

I posted a somewhat different Daedalus a few months ago, intended as something of an intermediate between the NX-01 and the Kelvin:

I think this version was 296 meters in length. I've since upscaled the design to roughly 450 meters and added a front view, showing the semi-Kelvin-style nacelle fronts (where the Kelvin has silver caps in front of an iris-like halo, this Daedalus design shows a bussard collector in place of the cap), but I can't seem to find an image showing the ship from the front, so here is the current side view:

This ship was intended to track with a design lineage that included the Prime reality-equivalent of the new Enterprise (i.e. a large TOS-era Federation ship), a 700 meter Excelsior (suggested by the Enterprise-B MSD), and the Galaxy-class. Both ships were designed from the perspective of ENT going foward, rather than TOS going backward. From the latter line of thinking, I've yet to see Sean Robertson's Daedalus surpassed:

 

[Bill Morris]

Well, I went through 60 MSDs avoiding the Daedalus, and just responding to this thread I ended up with a partial drawing, and now I'd better finish it but try to make it as true as possible to the model in Sisko's office. I suppose I should rearrange that whole engineering layout, putting the shuttlebay aft, and show maybe one NX shuttlepod and one TOS shuttle, forgetting about the dropdown launch mechanism. And I should add a transporter room somewhere in the ball and consider making that hallway through the neck a turboshaft.

 

[Timo]

The aft-facing shuttlebay in place of the aft launcher I warmly recommend. The engineering arrangement is literally kinky: the pylons seem to emerge from a really inconvenient location where the power leads would have to go through some weird angles and then cram through the neck tube before branching out into the pylons.

For the weaponry, I'd favor functional placement without worrying about exterior features. After all, this ship comes from an era that featured flush gunports, difficult to sight from any distance...

Although the Chronology forward views suggest something like three horizontal-rectangular "pod bays" under the bow pennants, quite possibly large gunports for forward-facing armament if the ship is assumed to carry any. Those "pod bays" are not really visible in photos of the actual model (at least not the second casting of that model), though. Perhaps we could argue that the ship existed in two distinct designs, unarmed (or lightly armed) and armed? That's what the ENT novels would seem to suggest: that Daedalus predates NX class by several decades, but that the earlier, humbler class gains a frontline military role in the Romulan War and is probably drastically upgunned at that point.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Forbin]

I probably shouldn't chuckle at the name, but I do. What'd you use for the alien ship?

The name was meant to be a chuckle - "You got Jetson's in my Dick Tracy!" "You got Dick Tracy in my Jetsons!!" "Mmmmmm!"

I made up the alien ship in Caligari TrueSpace, textured and rendered it in Bryce. It ended up looking more like a roulette wheel than I'd intended.

 

[Irishman]

That's got to be the most hideous ship ever designed, I'm sorry. Did nobody notice that the sphere is directly in front of the deflector dish? Hope they never tried any BOBW-style stunts with it.

You want a classy 22nd century ship? Try the NX-01.5.

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/nx-01-5-quick-sketch/

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/2011sotl_drexler_r021.jpg

Well, Jeffries did the concept, and Greg Jein VERY closely developed it.

 

[ST-One]

I've yet to see Sean Robertson's Daedalus surpassed:

Then you haven't seen lennier1's version.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, enough with the glowy engine vents on the outside of the nacelle!
Does no one appreciate a nice, pretty, red pennant with the registry number?

 

[ST-One]

Oh, enough with the glowy engine vents on the outside of the nacelle!
Does no one appreciate a nice, pretty, red pennant with the registry number?

Judging by your avatar... No.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, enough with the glowy engine vents on the outside of the nacelle!
Does no one appreciate a nice, pretty, red pennant with the registry number?

Judging by your avatar... No.

The kitbash where I turned the blue glowy things 90° and added a pair of engines so I could put twice as many pennants on the ship, you mean?

I'm talking pre-TNG era (in fact, pre-TMP)-era ships anyway. One of my many dislikes about the NX-01 design was the outer grills supplanting the lovely pennant typical of TOS-era ships. I likes me some decoration.

 

[ST-One]

Oh, enough with the glowy engine vents on the outside of the nacelle!
Does no one appreciate a nice, pretty, red pennant with the registry number?

Judging by your avatar... No.

The kitbash where I turned the blue glowy things 90° and added a pair of engines so I could put twice as many pennants on the ship, you mean?

Ah, yes... up and down are not "outside of the nacelle", I see.

 

[Forbin]

Outside, as in on the outer sides facing away from the centerline, as opposed to only on the inner, facing-each-other sides, like the TOS E, mister unbelievabley extremely pedantic one.

And a to you too.

 

[ST-One]

Outside, as in on the outer sides facing away from the centerline, as opposed to only on the inner, facing-each-other sides, like the TOS E, mister unbelievabley extremely pedantic one.

And a to you too.

I know perfectly well what you mean.
You just don't have a leg to stand on when you whine about 'glowy engine vents' when you sport the avatar you do.

 

[Bill Morris]

This smells like an attempt to get this thread closed before I have a chance to finished up that schematic. And I have no intention of starting a new thread for it if that happens.