Could TATV have been good?

[DarKush]

It could've been improved, for many of the reasons already stated. Here is what I've done with TATV:

Start it out in 2245, with T'Pol being escorted by a young officer, maybe Christoper Pike to address Captain Robert April and the senior crew of the Enterprise.

She tells the story of Enterprise NX-01's final mission, the Kobayashi Maru and its role in the Romulan War. Long story short, the Romulans try to steal an UE starship with the KM trap. NX-01 falls into the trap. Trip, a la Spock in TWOK, incapacitates T'Pol, but he places her in an escape pod and she's one of the few people to survive. Everyone thinks that the NX-01 was completely destroyed, T'Pol included. But as the show wraps up, the Enterprise-E or F, under Captain Worf, is in Romulan space for their peace treaty and the Romulans present him with fragments of the NX-01's hull.

 

[Mach5]

Whoa, that sounds... PRETTY DAMN GOOD if you ask me. But instead of Captain Worf of the USS Enterprise, I'd use Riker of The Titan (since Riker is already known to be a part of a diplomatic mission to Romulus).

 

[DarKush]

Thanks. I choose Worf because I was thinking that peace with the Romulans might be a while in the future/25th century perhaps, and I thought it worked better if the Enterprise took part in that peace treaty signing or whatever. I was thinking that maybe since Riker got the Titan he might not return as captain of the Enterprise-E or F. The next logical choice would be Worf IMO.

 

[captcalhoun]

no. cuz it was shit.

they should've done a finale with a 'future jump' by leaping four years ahead to the end of the Romulan Wars, with the main crew all having promotions, (even *gasp* on other ships) and the NX-01 being put into a museum after the war's end, with Captains Tucker, T'pol and Commander Reed going off to join the new Daedalus class vessels, and Admiral Archer and Admiral Shran heading for the treaty signing for the new UFP.

and then have Riker and Troi watching a holodeck recreation of the signing on the USS Titan on Federation Day 2380.

 

[Red Ranger]

no. cuz it was shit.

they should've done a finale with a 'future jump' by leaping four years ahead to the end of the Romulan Wars, with the main crew all having promotions, (even *gasp* on other ships) and the NX-01 being put into a museum after the war's end, with Captains Tucker, T'pol and Commander Reed going off to join the new Daedalus class vessels, and Admiral Archer and Admiral Shran heading for the treaty signing for the new UFP.

and then have Riker and Troi watching a holodeck recreation of the signing on the USS Titan on Federation Day 2380.

Captcalhoun:

That's not bad. My two cents: TATV was a bad idea, badly executed. The finale should have only concentrated on the ENT cast -- no Riker, no Troi, no anyone that had nothing to do with the series.

The only good thing, and it was poorly handled, was leaping ahead to 10 years after the launch of Enterprise. Showing the end of the Romulan-Earth war would've been a much better ending. I would have ended it with Enterprise being destroyed in a blaze of glory myself, with either Trip or T'Pol as captain. And I would've shown most of the crew, save Archer, Phlox, and Hoshi, perishing in the war, serving on different ships.

I also would have revealed who Future Guy was to tie up that loose end, and how Archer and his crew thwarted his plans.

Red Ranger

 

[V]

my entire problem, and I believe that of many people, with TATV is that it wasn't used as a mid-season filler episode, or even a season finale "highlight" episode, but as the actual "SERIES finale"

I honestly wouldn't particularly have minded if they had simply aired it earlier in season 4 or something.

Well, that, and Trip's death was utterly contrived and poorly written (why would he essentially commit suicide when captured....when he and Archer were captured so frequently in the first two seasons that we were all openly complaining that "Every Other Episode Archer And Trip Get Captured [TM]" ???

Of course the acting was flat, as the actors were obviously choking out lines they didn't want to say, but I don't blame them for that one bit.

Hoshi, Mayweather, and even Reed simply never developed beyond the thumbnail sketch descriptions of them we got in the series premiere....and you don't even let them be in their own finale?

Still, yeah, simply airing it two weeks BEFORE Terra Prime would have made it far less insulting.

As it actually occurred, it was the Star Trek franchise going out not with a bang, but with a wimper, and encapsulating the biggest problem: the Voyager and Enterprise days just rested on their laurels and kept trying to relive the glory days of Next Generation, to the point that they didn't realize what big problems their current series had.

 

[Mach5]

Of course the acting was flat, as the actors were obviously choking out lines they didn't want to say, but I don't blame them for that one bit.

Now that you mention this, remember this one?

ARCHER: When I took command ten years ago, I saw myself as an explorer. I thought all the risks would be worth it because, just beyond the next planet, just beyond the next star, there would be something magnificent, something noble. And now Trip is dead, and I have to give a speech about how worthwhile it's all been.

While I was watching this, I honestly had a feeling that Bakula was going to burst into laughter, and say something like: "Oh for the love of God, what is this shit?"
He seemed to be only blurting out lines, he was barely (if at all) in character for that one.

 

[HRHTheKING]

TATV was like ENT in general.



A directionless mess.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Seconded!

Thirded, but I'll add this: there's no holodeck involved, just a historical flashback, and the ship's cook isn't Frakes/Riker. It's William Shatner, made up to look like someone who clearly isn't meant to be Kirk.

Also, to suit my preferences, the shuttle Riker and Troi are on explodes at the end of the episode with a loss of all hands. But if that's just me, we can leave that part out.

 

[xortex]

I didn't read any of the comments. Suffice to say it was a great idea badly bungled. Once again, poor developement. they didn't want to hire the right people to do the right jobs, this is what they got. A bunch of half assed studs without a mare.

 

[SFRabid]

TATV might have been better if it was the last episode of TNG.