News Coronavirus Pandemic Information and Support Group

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  1. Owain Taggart

    Owain Taggart Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'd say it depends where it is and the rules they have in place in that location. But I'd say, pick your place and stay there until it's over and don't travel between them back and forth all the time.
     
  2. Avro Arrow

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    Presumably that is still community transmission, it just wasn't with a confirmed case, ie - they caught it from someone who was asymptomatic, or from someone who was sick and hadn't been tested.

    The incubation period is anywhere up to 14 days. You could go up there, not knowing you were already infected. Then if you get sick while there and have to be hospitalized, you're putting strain on the rural hospital that might not have the same capacity as one in a major metropolitan area.

    I'm a little worried about this happening here. Right now wearing masks is just recommended, rather than mandatory, but I've been trying to buy some since they were first recommended, and haven't found any. I see people out with them all the time, but have no idea where they're getting them from.

    I just checked Amazon... it looks like they sell cloth masks, but the shipping dates are into late May and early June. I guess I should order some now, in hopes that they get here in time to be relevant. Otherwise, I guess I can tie an old top around my head, or something.

    (Yes, I have a scarf, but it's an infinity scarf, so not sure how to actually tie it. And anyway, it's a crocheted one with lots of gaps, and so probably wouldn't stop anything anyhow.)

    If Walmart actually had N95 masks available, I wish they would distribute them to their employees. With the number of customers they come into contact with every day, they probably need it more than we do.
     
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  3. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Ambassador to Flavortown Moderator

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    Paying property taxes doesn't give someone immunity from following the law. When a state or the federal government orders the mandatory evacuation of an area during a hurricane, for instance, the fact that you paid property taxes doesn't mean you get to stay and place first responders and others at risk for your (general you) selfishness and shortsightedness. The same principle applies to this crisis. Your actions affect others. Your rights don't supersede everyone else's rights.
     
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  4. Worf factor9

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  5. Kai "the spy"

    Kai "the spy" Admiral Admiral

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    I've got two masks, the first one from a newsstand (yes, really), the other one from eBay (not used, obviously).

    A shirt should do okay as a make-shift mask. Especially if the fabric is cotton, that's the fabric used with most of these new masks.

    Something to keep in mind, though, is to desinfect the mask (or whatever you use for a mask) regularly. The news had a segment on this recently, and they gave instructions on how to do it, and how not to

    The recommended use to desinfect cotton masks is temperature, specifically heat. Don't put it in the freezer, that will just make any viruses dormant and they'll become active again once you take it out of the freezer. Theoretically you could use an oven, but it can be risky to desinfect the mask near food. Ironing is also not recommended, as the amount of time needed to get rid of any viruses would result in damage to the fabric.

    The actually recommended method is actually washing, specifically at 90 degrees Celsius, 194 degrees Fahrenheit, for at least ten minutes.
     
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  6. EmoBorg

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    Ecuador has been ravaged by the coronavius, leaving thousands dead across the country. It is the worse affected country in South America.

     
  7. Winterwind

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    Shall we break the issue down, across the globe, city by city, county by county, province/stay by province/state, country by country?

    Shall we start searching to see what, if any, laws have been legislated that prevent people from going here or there in a given region, from one owned property to another? And we haven't even gotten into what someone may list as there primary residence... hmm, suppose someone actually considers, and lists, the rural cottage country property as their primary residence? Their urban property is simply where they reside when they're working? What then?

    And we're not talking about governments ordering evacuations during natural disasters. We're talking about small communities politely asking people who only maintain property as a "summer home" to stay away during this pandemic.

    Like I said in my earlier post, in answer to the poster who asked what the issue was, I see both sides, and largely agree with the stance of the smaller communities. But I also see the perspective of the people that want to go to their other property because they feel they, and their family, will be less at risk there.

    If laws are put in place, that's one thing. But until they are, or martial law is declared, a person that wants to go to their other property still has that right.
     
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  8. bigdaddy

    bigdaddy Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I don't know what the problem is. I have a fridge bigger than most people's bedroom, stocked full of ice cream so I'm good.

    I have no money to pay the credit card people come the end of May and have no hope of finding a job that wouldn't lead to my, or my family's deaths, but it looks like things will come around.... never. Never will have Medicare for All, UBI, living wages, rent control, just fucked until we are dead.

    It's amazing how a virus can really show you the real world you live in is even more fucked up than you think and the fact that so many people are fucking beyond naive and downright stupid to that.
     
  9. Owain Taggart

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    Ahh, yeah that's probably it. I couldn't figure it out because it was so vague

    Exactly right. And not to mention, it's quite frankly elitist. And it's really not fair to those who are following the orders and staying put. Ideally, if someone has a second home, they should be staying where they were when the isolation orders were given. It's not that difficult. Those who feel the need to travel need to tough it out, like everyone else and make the best of the situation.
     
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  10. KimMH

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    That is awful :(
     
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  11. cooleddie74

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    If you own a country home leave it where it is. It'll be there when the stay-at-home and lockdown orders are ended and if it isn't then you have far bigger problems than a global pandemic!
     
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  12. Kai "the spy"

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    All remaining German states have followed suit. From Monday, April 27, masks are mandatory in shops and on public transport in all of Germany.
     
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  13. EmoBorg

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    In Singapore, masks are mandatory if you are leaving the house. Fines of S$ 300 are issued for those caught without a mask. You are only exempted if you are exercising.
     
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  14. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Ambassador to Flavortown Moderator

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    No we shan't. :p

    If we're referring to the genesis of this side discussion, it was referring to people in rural Oregon. Oregon has a statewide shelter-in-place rule in effect.

    If we're speaking more generally, something like 3.5 billion people worldwide are currently under lockdown orders of some type, including most of the countries the people on this forum post from. There are some regional exceptions in there, but the general rule applies.
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/cou...us-italy-2020-3#germany-is-slowly-reopening-1

    Obviously if there's no shelter-in-place rule in effect, one is legally permitted to travel to a second home and isolate there or prepare it for occupancy by someone else. But that's clearly not what we were talking about and that's besides the point about whether or not it's the right thing to do, which I was arguing it is not.

    We're also not talking about someone's primary residence, or else we wouldn't have made a point of saying secondary, summer, vacation or rental property multiple times and would have said it was their primary residence instead.

    Of course we're not literally talking about governments conducting mandatory evacuations during a natural disaster. That's what's called an analogy and it compares two things to illustrate a point.
     
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  15. EmoBorg

    EmoBorg Commodore Commodore

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    Why are face masks important.

     
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  16. Kor

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    And health authorities have been telling the general public not to use N95 masks, but to leave them for health care workers and use cloth masks instead. N95 respirators are critical devices needed for medical settings, and there isn't enough supply to hand them out to everybody for general use. Unless there's greater availability of the non-medical/industrial variety? :confused:

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  17. Owain Taggart

    Owain Taggart Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Not to mention, that theoretically, if someone has a second home, wouldn't they have their ears tuned to news from that area all the time anyway? I mean, you'd naturally want to know what's going on and what rules are in place at all times as you have long-term interests in the region, and you wouldn't want to be that one person that says they weren't aware when asked.

    And as for specifics, I know that in the province of Ontario, travel is strongly discouraged. In fact, I think the police have the power via emergency orders to ask where your place of residence is and fine you heavily if they catch you on the highways and have said that the only vehicles on the roads should be transport trucks bringing in supplies. There's also been talk of blocking travel from Northern Ontario to Southern Ontario to limit the spread due to Southern Ontario having more critical cases.

    I know the Province of Quebec has closed travel to anyone coming in or out of their province. I know that Oregon in the States has a similar order, and from what I hear, so does Vermont.

    If someone has their primary residence in Cottage country, then great. If they were near there when the orders were given, then yes, they should stay there. But don't go changing your mind in the middle of isolation orders to go traipsing to your second residence. If you somehow were near your second residence while orders were given, it shouldn't be so difficult to stay put. That also means no traveling halfway across the country through multiple state/province lines to get to to another residence. It. really. shouldn't. be. that . difficult!
     
  18. Spot's Meow

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    I have had good luck finding them on Etsy. A lot of sellers who made clothing have switched to using their fabrics to make masks. Even there a lot of the "cute" designs are sold out, but there's still many options available. And often they arrive within the week, because they are being made and shipped by an individual.
     
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  19. Delta Vega

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    I ordered N95 face masks on Amazon in March, a set of three black ones (the colour was irrelevant) with filters
    They were very expensive at £32, quite frankly I felt ripped off
    They took four weeks to be delivered
    When they arrived, the set of three had somehow became a set of nine, white, still say N95 but they look more flimsy
    They do the trick though, in fact they are a little uncomfortable
     
  20. Avro Arrow

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    I hadn't thought to look on Etsy, just because I thought when I had looked there previously (just generally, unrelated to anything happening now), they weren't very friendly about shipping to Canada. But that was many years ago, so I should probably take another look. Thank you for the suggestion!