Consolidated Trailer Thread

[jamestyler]

There's plenty of actors out there who can do a good turn - plenty of them! Combs seemed to want, as he put it, "another turn at bat" since his first audition way before he was cast. I'd love to see him in the mix somewhere as he is a fascinating presence, but.... he's had three solid memorable roles. Lets see what the next (next next) generation brings to the table.

 

[RAMA]

I literally just heard a podcast where they said the trailer looked "too slick" and that the uniforms were boring (ie: they were not multi-colored and that the trend in DS9 and the latter movies was lack of color). Really? They are blue with metallic colored department designation. They are almost gaudy. Your best criticism is that it doesn't look like old fashioned crap so it can't be good?

What Trekkies get on about..amazing.

RAMA

 

[{ Emilia }]

So has anybody's opinion on the trailer changed now that some time has passed?

I still don't give a shit about the alleged inconsistencies. But I guess what really stuck in my mind was how much it felt like "more of the same" in the sense that the drama in the trailer seemed so tired. The same old "yelling on the bridge" stuff we've already had so much of.
I totally realize it's just a trailer but I suppose I would've liked to just see... different things in a trailer. Am I saying it felt "too much like Star Trek"? I don't know! It's just that I didn't get any "Wow, this is new!!!" vibe. The production values were there but essentially it just looked like more TV Trek.

(Plus, I still think Sonequa Martin-Green's acting was super-goofy. Maybe she really was trying to act like a Vulcan (raised on Vulcan? Wannabe-Vulcan) but it just makes me laugh. The way she turns and tilts her head, the expression... I'm still not sold on her. And no, I'm not really going to judge her acting based on this short trailer. It's just the general impression I'm left with.)

I guess my point is: It looked good to me. Solid, high production value. But did it look "interesting/new"? Not at all. I guess I was expecting a more unique approach, given that Fuller was involved. So far it seemed all the Trek tropes are still in place.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There's plenty of actors out there who can do a good turn - plenty of them! Combs seemed to want, as he put it, "another turn at bat" since his first audition way before he was cast. I'd love to see him in the mix somewhere as he is a fascinating presence, but.... he's had three solid memorable roles. Lets see what the next (next next) generation brings to the table.

Combs was fine, but I'm more concerned with when Vaughn Armstrong will appear...

 

[fireproof78]

I literally just heard a podcast where they said the trailer looked "too slick" and that the uniforms were boring (ie: they were not multi-colored and that the trend in DS9 and the latter movies was lack of color). Really? They are blue with metallic colored department designation. They are almost gaudy. Your best criticism is that it doesn't look like old fashioned crap so it can't be good?

What Trekkies get on about..amazing.

RAMA

Still waiting for the "Not my Star Trek" hashtag campaign to start.

 

[jamestyler]

I still don't give a shit about the alleged inconsistencies. But I guess what really stuck in my mind was how much it felt like "more of the same" in the sense that the drama in the trailer seemed so tired. The same old "yelling on the bridge" stuff we've already had so much of.

Well I'd imagine shouting in the kitchen about Klingons invading would be a little less intriguing. "CAPTAIN, KLINGONS APPROACHING!", "DO NOT INTERRUPT PIZZA HOUR, LIEUTENANT!"

Just wouldn't work nearly as well.

 

[BillJ]

I still don't give a shit about the alleged inconsistencies. But I guess what really stuck in my mind was how much it felt like "more of the same" in the sense that the drama in the trailer seemed so tired. The same old "yelling on the bridge" stuff we've already had so much of.

I think after 700 hours, there's not much they can do that won't feel like more of the same, unless they totally ditched the format.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I think after 700 hours, there's not much they can do that won't feel like more of the same, unless they totally ditched the format.

But that's the thing... I'm quite alright with them breaking the format a little. Or a little more.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As long as they do NOT interrupt pizza hour.

 

[cultcross]

Trek has a formula, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, some of the best episodes have followed the formula to the tee. Some have gone way off piste and been fantastic, but Trek, especially the ship based shows, generally follows its formula. Bridge scenes, new thing we found, interact with thing, action set piece, moral dilemma, private conversation about moral dilemma, bridge scenes, outcome of moral dilemma, final bridge scene, here endeth the lesson. To a certain extent, if you wander too far from the formula, you've just got a different show that uses the same nouns. Now, I'm sure plenty of people here would be interested in that - a Firefly, or a BSG, or an Expanse set in the Trekverse. But the studio want Star Trek, so that means there are boundaries on how different it was ever going to be.

 

[BillJ]

But that's the thing... I'm quite alright with them breaking the format a little. Or a little more.

I'm not either. But the question is how far can you move away and still be "Star Trek"?

 

[{ Emilia }]

Trek has a formula, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, some of the best episodes have followed the formula to the tee. Some have gone way off piste and been fantastic, but Trek, especially the ship based shows, generally follows its formula. Bridge scenes, new thing we found, interact with thing, action set piece, moral dilemma, private conversation about moral dilemma, bridge scenes, outcome of moral dilemma, final bridge scene, here endeth the lesson. To a certain extent, if you wander too far from the formula, you've just got a different show that uses the same nouns. Now, I'm sure plenty of people here would be interested in that - a Firefly, or a BSG, or an Expanse set in the Trekverse. But the studio want Star Trek, so that means there are boundaries on how different it was ever going to be.

Even then there are ways to make the formula more interesting or just give us more of the same. Sensors picking up Klingon ships sure gave me this "I have seen this a million times" vibe.

 

[BillJ]

Even then there are ways to make the formula more interesting or just give us more of the same. Sensors picking up Klingon ships sure gave me this "I have seen this a million times" vibe.

It is possible Discovery is going to be nothing more than comfort food for a dying fanbase.

 

[dahj]

Sensors picking up Klingon ships sure gave me this "I have seen this a million times" vibe.

If the sensors didn't pick up the Klingon ships they'd all be dead now and there wouldn't be a show past the first 20 minutes.

 

[RAMA]

The format will insure it doesn't feel like old trek. I get very little Berman vibe from the trailer and that also is refreshing.

Even then there are ways to make the formula more interesting or just give us more of the same. Sensors picking up Klingon ships sure gave me this "I have seen this a million times" vibe.

 

[RAMA]

Sonequa was a the Canadian Upfronts introducing the trailer

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVDuBnKFHK0/

 

[{ Emilia }]

The format will insure it doesn't feel like old trek. I get very little Berman vibe from the trailer and that also is refreshing.

Eh, the point was that the format felt very old Trek. The whole trailer showed tons of old Trek tropes and aspects of the trusted/tired formula. It just looked shinier.

I don't hate anything about it. I just don't feel much enthusiasm. Maybe I just expected something that felt more different. To me it mostly looks like they've updated the look but kept the formula. I would've wanted them to play with and break the formula a little more. It's entirely possible they did that in the show but I can only base my posts on the trailer so far.

 

[Garth Rockett]

Eh, the point was that the format felt very old Trek. The whole trailer showed tons of old Trek tropes and aspects of the trusted/tired formula. It just looked shinier.

And it could very well end up being that, but I still think we're limited by what can be shown in the trailer, in terms of:

1. What's been shot and ready to be shown
2. What can make sense to an audience with having to give too much context
3. It was being shown to the upfronts audience and was geared towards that crowd

Given that, I still hold out hope the actual show will end up being much more. In fact, we know that the show is breaking Trek format in one very major way for sure - it's ditching the episodic format that Trek was tied to for almost all of its history (even when DS9 and ENT experimented with this, they did not go to the extent we see in modern television). That, I believe, is going to give DSC a greater depth of character exploration and story complexity that will make this show seem different from Treks past. At least, that's my hope.

 

[midnightz]

(Plus, I still think Sonequa Martin-Green's acting was super-goofy. Maybe she really was trying to act like a Vulcan (raised on Vulcan? Wannabe-Vulcan) but it just makes me laugh. The way she turns and tilts her head, the expression... I'm still not sold on her. And no, I'm not really going to judge her acting based on this short trailer. It's just the general impression I'm left with.)

Totally think this is the case - you can really see it if you look at her mannerisms in the earlier parts of the trailer (before she goes all shouty): www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfN1x0TyE2E&t=542s

 

[RAMA]

No I'm saying it won't be anything like old Trek, in the sense that this is the first show taking a modern "novel" like format with the modern style (part of the reason they are not revealing the storyline in full is because we are hearing there are a lot of twists and turns in the arc they have planned..in itself quite different from the Berman era), including both production style and dramatic permissiveness..Everyone expecting it just to be updated Berman-Trek were proven wrong when the trailer came out, as I've been saying all along.

In 2000 I wanted them to switch producers, writers and production team so the new show would be Fresh..and though I did like elements of Enterprise it had a lot of the same dialogue, music, pacing and "look" we'd been used to. The studio kept fighting for the prequel to feel more like the 24th century shows, and the result was 2 years of directionless Trek before it got better, but it never really broke the mold. I believe Discovery will finally do that.

RAMA

Eh, the point was that the format felt very old Trek. The whole trailer showed tons of old Trek tropes and aspects of the trusted/tired formula. It just looked shinier.

I don't hate anything about it. I just don't feel much enthusiasm. Maybe I just expected something that felt more different. To me it mostly looks like they've updated the look but kept the formula. I would've wanted them to play with and break the formula a little more. It's entirely possible they did that in the show but I can only base my posts on the trailer so far.