Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoilers)

[Whofan]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

I also kind of like that the KOTOR story kind of gives an "origin story" for many Star Wars civilizations (The Rakata)....although that's a bit like the Star Trek concept of the preservers. Lucas apparentally had a similar idea for an Alien Chronicles book or something (and one of his ideas for Episode I back in the 80s was to have it be the origin of the Jedi).

 

[Professor Zoom]

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Well. Then stop now. Stop reading/watching any new Star Wars material, because the revision will continue. I don't mean to sound flip, but, if you're unhappy that fictional stories are being ignored as new fictional stories are being written, what's your option? Continue to consume new material and be unhappy? That sounds awful.

Oh you got me all wrong there Professor. I was being sarcastic. *oops*

Oh. Sorry. Without an emoticon, I'm just lost to sarcasm on teh intertubs.

 

[6079SmithW]

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As long as he doesn't throw out the Tales of the Jedi comic book stories, I'm good.

 

[EJA]

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So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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It would be better if Star Wars just went with the Star Trek continuity paradigm.

Star Wars and Star Trek have always had the same stance towards towards using continuity points from licensed material, Trek has just been more honest about it.

The Lucas "tiered-canon" model has never been anything but a clever marketing ploy to draw in reader to whom which the nebulous and irrelevant notion of "canon" is important. The Lucas policy of saying "canon until contradicted onscreen" is essentially the same as saying "not canon".

 

[Turtletrekker]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

"....Natalie Portman's midriff...."

For the win!

 

[Hartzilla2007]

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So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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Maybe there's a post-ROTJ story to be told that's better than the Thrawn story? I haven't read Thrawn yet, but I dunno...cloning the Emperor to get him back into the story seems kinda cheap to me.

 

[EJA]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

But for a long time, it was said that they were.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Yes. They could all be rewritten, ignored by FUTURE stories.

But, I disagree they are worthless. If you enjoyed reading those stories, how could a story written years later make the reading of those stories no longer enjoyable? Are they enjoyable or not?

Isn't the meaning of of a story how much you enjoyed reading it, rather than if it fills in some sort of plot pot hole?

I understand that you want it all to make sense, be all perfect and connected, but that's not the case. So, perhaps, then, it's time for you to move on. Because the Franchise is moving on, with or without you.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

But for a long time, it was said that they were.

By fans with delusions of grandeur and Lucas letting them have said delusions.

 

[fett51]

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Maybe there's a post-ROTJ story to be told that's better than the Thrawn story? I haven't read Thrawn yet, but I dunno...cloning the Emperor to get him back into the story seems kinda cheap to me.

That's not in the Thrawn story, it's after. Funnily enough, the author of the Thrawn books actually tried to throw the emperor's resurrection out of canon in one of his later books.

As far as post-RotJ books go, I'm a big fan of the New Jedi Order books, for their darker tone and their portrayal of a truly galactic war. The X-wing books are also solid if you don't mind that they're about characters that are barely in the films. Apart from that, I'd avoid most of it.

 

[EJA]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Yes. They could all be rewritten, ignored by FUTURE stories.

But, I disagree they are worthless. If you enjoyed reading those stories, how could a story written years later make the reading of those stories no longer enjoyable? Are they enjoyable or not?

Isn't the meaning of of a story how much you enjoyed reading it, rather than if it fills in some sort of plot pot hole?

I understand that you want it all to make sense, be all perfect and connected, but that's not the case. So, perhaps, then, it's time for you to move on. Because the Franchise is moving on, with or without you.

Here, we have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter how well written a story is, if future developments mean it no longer fits with what's "real" anymore, my attitude towards it is "Why bother with this anymore?" It's like keeping a calender from five years ago up, on account of some good artwork in it, when you should just discard it completely.

 

[Hound of UIster]

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It was never "real" in the first place.

It's all FICTION. There is no Force. There is no GFFA. None of it is "REAL".

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

Does it not occur to anyone that the very concept of "canon" in a fictional universe is a bit anal retentive to begin with?

 

[Gaith]

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Maybe there's a post-ROTJ story to be told that's better than the Thrawn story?

HELL and NO.

 

[I Grok Spock]

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None of it is "REAL".

Yes, but some of it is OFFICIAL.

 

[P0sitr0nic]

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I personally dont give a rats rear what George says is canon or not. If I like the novel world, the comic continuity, its the SW universe I choose to believe.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Re: Commentary on the current state of Star Wars continuity(some spoil

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Yes. They could all be rewritten, ignored by FUTURE stories.

But, I disagree they are worthless. If you enjoyed reading those stories, how could a story written years later make the reading of those stories no longer enjoyable? Are they enjoyable or not?

Isn't the meaning of of a story how much you enjoyed reading it, rather than if it fills in some sort of plot pot hole?

I understand that you want it all to make sense, be all perfect and connected, but that's not the case. So, perhaps, then, it's time for you to move on. Because the Franchise is moving on, with or without you.

Here, we have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter how well written a story is, if future developments mean it no longer fits with what's "real" anymore, my attitude towards it is "Why bother with this anymore?" It's like keeping a calender from five years ago up, on account of some good artwork in it, when you should just discard it completely.

Ok. That's fine. I totally disagree with that. I think it gives FAR to much weight to canon--and the sometimes silly twisting and turnings needed to justify a story.

That said, what are you going to do then? If you don't like it, you can walk away. But will you? Will you just say, enough is enough? Because, Lucas will keep doing--and those that are in charge later--will continue to change the "canon" as much as they want.

So, wanna gonna do?

So.....does this mean that the ancient Tales of the Jedi chronicles, Emperor Palpatine being resurrected, Han and Leia having three kids, Luke marrying Mara Jade, Chewbacca dying, the Yuuzhan Vong invading, etc, etc, can now just be ignored if George frigging Lucas feels like it?! Well, that's just crap. Utter, complete crap. For a long time all those stories actually meant something, and now they could all turn out to be worthless.

Considering that's how tie-in literature tends to work, yeah it does mean and IT ALWAYS MEANED that those stories were not canon.

Does it not occur to anyone that the very concept of "canon" in a fictional universe is a bit anal retentive to begin with?

I occurs to me. If the big stuff is consistent--Chewie is a Wookie, for example, then, why not? I would rather have fantastic stories than something that is so attached to canon it's just there to fill in a pot hole of Star Wars "history."

 

[Gaith]

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I personally dont give a rats rear what George says is canon or not. If I like the novel world, the comic continuity, its the SW universe I choose to believe.

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