Spoilers Clues on Picard show from Picard Countdown comic (possible spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Yistaan, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Lord Garth

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    I don't treat the comics as canon but since the staff writers have a hand, I treat it as "writer's intent", which is what I go with until something on screen contradicts it. And even afterwards, I treat it as: "Okay, this is what they had in mind originally."

    As far as Vulcan and 2079, that goes to another approach of mine: explain something within canon away and just treat it like a contradiction as a last resort. Some people pull the "Canon Violation!" lever too quickly. If United Earth fell apart by 2079, then it would give the Vulcans even more reason to clamp down hard on Earth. That's why they're so insistent on keeping Earth on a leash and held back, even 70 years later, if what happened around 2079 was bad enough. Bear in mind I'm no fan of ENT, so it's not as if I'm trying to come up with excuses for a series I like. No. But there's a rationale that connects the dots and feeds into the narrative of both "Encounter at Farpoint" and Enterprise at the same time.
     
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    Canon to the left of them, Canon to the right of them, Canon in front of them, Volleyed and Thundered.
     
  3. Boris Skrbic

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    What Garth said, and the theory behind it is simple: most of the perceived contradictions stem from non-canon (!) and therefore lower-priority personal feelings or behind-the-scenes knowledge of contradictory intent. Take that away, and surely there was a perfectly canon manner in which 2063 led to 2079 — we just don’t know the details. James T. Kirk somehow got a gravestone with an R — why allege a tear in the fictional reality when it could’ve been nothing more than an alternate middle name or a joke? We don’t know, but that doesn’t mean there is an in-universe contradiction.
     
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    I like Enterprise (especially Season 3 and 4), and in case of canon discrepancies i see it the same way as you.
     
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  5. Paul Weaver

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    A lot of the fun is trying to clear up inconsistencies in the continuity that stems from canon material. Like the voyager crew count.

    I particularly liked Greg Cox's attempt to integrate the Eugenics Wars with things like "The Neutral Zone", "Futures End", and modern day reality.
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    I just figured that GOD-Gary was somehow messing with his best friends head by putting the wrong initial on the gravestone. (he seemed just a tad bit invective by that point)

    Knowing that ones final marker has an obvious error in it is more than a bit disconcerting to my mind, especially when it's been done on purpose by ones best friend.
     
  7. Dukhat

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    Or we can treat it exactly like what it is, without any convoluted explanations needed: a changed premise that can be ignored. Just like how in M*A*S*H, Klinger had three different blood types, Frank had two different middle names, Col. Blake’s wife had two different names, Hawkeye had a sister and then was an only child, etc., etc.
     
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  8. Boris Skrbic

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    But as noted, it’s important to distinguish between elements that could in fact coexist (such as alternate middle names) and actual holes in the fictional reality (eg. two different blood types with no possibility whatsoever of one of them being incorrectly determined or stated; I haven’t watched the show so I can’t say).
     
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  9. Dukhat

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    If Mitchell wanted to make some kind of joke at Kirk’s expense by changing his middle initial on his tombstone, one would think that Mitchell would have been more inventive than that. Plus the fact that Kirk doesn’t seem to notice the change at all. It’s almost like “R” was in fact his middle initial...
     
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  11. DaveyNY

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    Yes, one can, but many of the rest of us like to use our imaginations to be way more creative about interpreting our Trek entertainment.
    But, I suppose it helps to have a shred of imagination to begin with and be willing to actually use it.
    :shrug:

    It would seem that for some it's a device that aims to try and invalidate other folks imaginations and creativity.
    :shrug:
     
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  12. Dukhat

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    I’m sorry, was that supposed to be some sort of passive-aggressive personal attack on me?
     
  13. DaveyNY

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    Your passive/aggressive apology is accepted.

    Also, I kinda-sorta thought from our last interaction there'd be a tentative truce indicated, but you seem quite intent on continuing to obliquely direct your interactions specifically toward me.

    As if you seem to have some sort of perverse invective about it that you enjoy.

    I'm more than willing to let it go, but you seem to relish in specifically contradicting my posts.
    The future is up to you at this point.
     
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  14. Dukhat

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    Read the rules. It’s the post, not the poster. Got it?

    And no, I’m not specifically picking on you. I’m not sure where you got that from, but it’s all in your imagination. I don’t even know you. If you have some sort of problem with me, send me a PM. Don’t make it personal in a public forum.

    Now how about we get back on topic?
     
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  15. DaveyNY

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    As I said, I had already moved on from our last interaction and had no intent to respond to any more of your posts from that point.
    That is till you obviously called me out above.
    Perhaps in the future a mutual agreement of not replying to each others posts either directly or indirectly would be best.
    I honestly have no desire to engage in fractious or depreciating discussions.
     
  16. Dukhat

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    No, I will reply to whatever post I feel like replying to, regardless of who posted it. Whether you choose to respond is your choice. But please don’t tell me what to do. Again, if you have a problem with me, PM me or take it up with the mods. This is the last thing I will say on this subject, because this thread has been derailed enough.
     
  17. DaveyNY

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    Just to be clear, I was not "telling", I was 'asking'.

    Be that as it may, you obviously have way to big a chip on your shoulder to make a compromise with.
    So, I will have to be the adult here and take the high road.

    Have a joyous and wonderful Holiday Season.
    :techman:
     
  18. Dukhat

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    What is your problem? Is it that important to you to get the last insult in? I said that if you had a problem with me, PM me or tell the mods; don’t make it public. I’m done with this crap and am reporting your post.
     
  19. Boris Skrbic

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    Well, we know from ST (2009) that Tiberius isn’t to everyone’s taste, so maybe there was a period in his life when Kirk went by a different middle name. Perhaps he adopted R for a pen name while still a “walking stack of books” at the Academy, similar to Iain Banks vs Iain M. Banks, but really didn’t like the sound of it on open hailing frequencies.
     
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  20. Guy Gardener

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    I keep thinking that this is a thread about the Blues Clues reboot.