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Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman film

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You're mixing up pantheons though - Zeus is Greek, Mars - Roman. Not that this would be a bad thing with Wonder Woman where the classical references are generally all jumbled up anyway.
Yeah, I was thinking of the old comics where Ares was generally referred to as Mars. Make it Ares for the sake of pantheon consistency. :)

Nah, if you were gonna go that route, you should go full bore and have a pantheon of Zeus, Juno, Aphrodite, Mars, Apollo, Minerva, etc. I'm kind of the opinion that you should either throw all caution to the wind and make classical culture a grab-bag for Wonder Woman, or clean the whole thing up entirely and make it consistent with what we actually know of ancient history. Halfway in between those two is what bugs me.
 
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Given the options, mix and match. When it comes down to it, she's an Amazon named Diana, as someone above pointed out. A loose approach to mythology fits the concept of the character.

Just like a very loose approach to science and fantasy fit the Superman premise better than an over-emphasis on plausibility, to tie this into the original topic.
 
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Megan Fox as Wonder Woman.


:shifty:

But I can see Baccarin as Wonder Woman. Or maybe Evangline Lilly from LOST.

Isn't Lilly rather, well, skinny? Not exactly an Amazonian build. And though she's beautiful, I just don't see her as the right type either.

Toss her in a gym. If memory serves, Bale was skinny to probable dangerous proportions for a role right before Batman Begins. He hit the gym, bulked up, and was ready for Bats.
 
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Megan Fox as Wonder Woman.


:shifty:

But I can see Baccarin as Wonder Woman. Or maybe Evangline Lilly from LOST.

Isn't Lilly rather, well, skinny? Not exactly an Amazonian build. And though she's beautiful, I just don't see her as the right type either.

Toss her in a gym. If memory serves, Bale was skinny to probable dangerous proportions for a role right before Batman Begins. He hit the gym, bulked up, and was ready for Bats.
OK, send Lilly to the gym. She can bulk up a little. But she'll still be too short. You can't fix that "in post."
 
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You can always cast short people. Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, half the cast of BSG?
 
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This link is to an extremely unlikely story about details of Nolan and Goyer's plot for the next Batmovie. Not worth starting a new thread over but it'll do nicely to bump this old one.

FWIW, the claim is that the script will feature Riddler (possible), the Penguin (possible but at odds with what Nolan has previously said), Mr Freeze (who will probably have to freeze Hell over to get into this movie) and cameos for Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. Hmmmm.

http://movies.sky.com/batman-3-rumours-leak-online-712
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

This link is to an extremely unlikely story about details of Nolan and Goyer's plot for the next Batmovie. Not worth starting a new thread over but it'll do nicely to bump this old one.

FWIW, the claim is that the script will feature Riddler (possible), the Penguin (possible but at odds with what Nolan has previously said), Mr Freeze (who will probably have to freeze Hell over to get into this movie) and cameos for Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. Hmmmm.

http://movies.sky.com/batman-3-rumours-leak-online-712

I saw this when it was originally reported a while back, and the very nature of the "rumor" screams false: There is no such thing as a "plot outliner" (so far as I know) and I seriously doubt a man of Nolan's stature would need a plot outliner for any of his films. So the very foundation for which this story is based screams false.

As for the contents of the rumor, it just lacks originality. Nolan has already gone on record, as Captaindemotion says, of claiming that The Penguin would not fit into his universe, and he's already said on numerous occasions that Robin will still be in his crib during the time of his movies. Heck, even Christian Bale went on to denounce Robin, saying he hopes never to be in a movie with such a "stupid" character, which is funny and ironic since he once tried out for the role of Robin in Batman Forever.
 
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I've often thought though that it would be fun to start a Wonder Woman film in the ancient world - perhaps at Troy where the Amazons fought on the side of the Trojans. Open on an Amzon charge lead by mother and daughter, queen and princess of the Amazons (do the circumstances of Diana's birth really matter at all to a story?). Diana rallies the troops, fights Achilles or something fun like that, fade back to see the size of the battle and majestic Troy in the background, the battle rages into the night. The next morning you see the Amazons pack up camp and leaving after the Greeks appear to have abandoned camp - and you can see the celebrating Trojans carting the horse into the city walls in the background. The next day, the Amazons see smoke rising behind them and return to find the city razed and they are sickened by the treachery of the Greeks. Wandering the devastated city, Diana finds an exulting Greek warrior and fights him - it is an epic battle for this is Ares, god of war, glutting himself of Troy's defeat. But Athena and Artemis, horrified at the end of the war, bless the brave girl who continues to fight even after she realizes it is the god and she will surely die - bless her with extraordinary powers so that he cannot defeat her. Enraged, Ares sends a blast of godly power at her, the goddesses intervene (they're all just really pissed at each other over the Trojan War), and their combined power opens a rift in time and space sending Diana - into the future, where she lands in the middle of a city street.

With the Gods you can arrange any sort of communication you want back to her people, maybe the goddesses have set Themyscira up in a separate dimension because they feel bad that Diana has become displaced by their actions - so the Amazons have been in an isolated culture for 2000 years, but Diana hasn't.

The story is Diana's quest to get home again (though by the end she decides to stay, obviously, and you could even add the diplomat business in here if you wanted), while fighting off Ares who is pretty pissed this young woman held her own in battle with him (you can pull in the Perez stuff about Ares being a particularly powerful god due to modern wars). In the course of the story, she decides on her own to dedicate herself to fighting the forces of unjust war. This manages to ditch all the Amazonian - we have so much to teach Man's World business, and sets up what could be a fun, high adventure, fish out of water tale. It also simplifies the origin while keeping enough of it in place to be recognizable and to keep Diana as essentially the same character - she can certainly go on about how the Amazons had a philosophy of being peaceful warriors and so on and so forth. It also decouples the Amazons from being "greek", which they weren't, but let's you tap classical design as you want, but with twists, which would keep the look original.

Alas, fan-girl musings come inevitably to naught...
Please marry me. :)

Seriously, that is really awesome. I've actually thought about a Wonder Woman origin story of my own, but it would be set in World War II with Diana coming into the World of Men to try and stop it and set up peace between the Axis and the Allies. But it turns out the war is being engineered by Ares who is trying to be a second Prometheus and give humans the "fire of the gods" (ie, atomic weapons) and foster even more enmity between them to feast off their conflict (kind of along the lines of what you have him doing in Troy). That wouldn't ultimately happen until the third film, or the end of a very, very long and epic novel/comic. I also thought it might be fun if he releases creatures from Greek mythology into the real world; the Minotaur, Medusa, the Hydra, Cerebrus, etc. Not quite sure how that would mesh, though.

Steve Trevor still crashes his plane on Themiscyra and is taken back by Diana, and she's in disguise as his secretary...and he starts falling in love with Diana Prince instead of Wonder Woman.
 
Re: Chris Nolan is prepping Batman 3 and will mentor a new Superman fi

This link is to an extremely unlikely story about details of Nolan and Goyer's plot for the next Batmovie. Not worth starting a new thread over but it'll do nicely to bump this old one.

FWIW, the claim is that the script will feature Riddler (possible), the Penguin (possible but at odds with what Nolan has previously said), Mr Freeze (who will probably have to freeze Hell over to get into this movie) and cameos for Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. Hmmmm.

http://movies.sky.com/batman-3-rumours-leak-online-712

I saw this when it was originally reported a while back, and the very nature of the "rumor" screams false: There is no such thing as a "plot outliner" (so far as I know) and I seriously doubt a man of Nolan's stature would need a plot outliner for any of his films. So the very foundation for which this story is based screams false.

As for the contents of the rumor, it just lacks originality. Nolan has already gone on record, as Captaindemotion says, of claiming that The Penguin would not fit into his universe, and he's already said on numerous occasions that Robin will still be in his crib during the time of his movies. Heck, even Christian Bale went on to denounce Robin, saying he hopes never to be in a movie with such a "stupid" character, which is funny and ironic since he once tried out for the role of Robin in Batman Forever.

wasn't that around the time Newsies was out? Sort of a nonsequetor, but American Psycho on Broadway. Christian reprising his role of Patrick Bateman for the stage. Make it so!
 
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Please marry me. :)

Aw, that's sweet. Sadly I'm taken - by a guy who I don't think has ever cracked a comic book in his life. Go figure.

Seriously, that is really awesome. I've actually thought about a Wonder Woman origin story of my own, but it would be set in World War II with Diana coming into the World of Men to try and stop it and set up peace between the Axis and the Allies. But it turns out the war is being engineered by Ares who is trying to be a second Prometheus and give humans the "fire of the gods" (ie, atomic weapons) and foster even more enmity between them to feast off their conflict (kind of along the lines of what you have him doing in Troy). That wouldn't ultimately happen until the third film, or the end of a very, very long and epic novel/comic. I also thought it might be fun if he releases creatures from Greek mythology into the real world; the Minotaur, Medusa, the Hydra, Cerebrus, etc. Not quite sure how that would mesh, though.

That's interesting, especially Ares considering himself as a second Prometheus.

Steve Trevor still crashes his plane on Themiscyra and is taken back by Diana, and she's in disguise as his secretary...and he starts falling in love with Diana Prince instead of Wonder Woman.

That's nice too - you could go more the route of Diana starting this relationship but not being able to reveal that she's not a nice, normal girl.

As for the inevitable "who should play Wonder Woman" conversation above - anyone seen Percy Jackson and the Olympians? Alexandra Daddario, who plays Annabeth, daughter of Athena, could be a real candidate. She looks comfortable in ancient Greek gear and is believeable in a fight. Big blue eyes to boot.
 
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I saw Percy Jackson. She was good. She has a gorgeous face.
 
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Nolan has already gone on record, as Captaindemotion says, of claiming that The Penguin would not fit into his universe...

Why not? Tim Burton's revisionist version aside, the Penguin is simply a crime boss who fancies himself a member of high society. Of the members of Batman's rogues' gallery, he's one of the easiest ones to handle realistically. Just drop the bird fetish and the umbrella gadgets, and have Oswald Cobblepot be a gangster with pretensions to legitimacy, a man who's nicknamed "the Penguin" by his underworld cronies because of his stout build and fondness for tuxedoes. Maybe go the route of the DCAU, where Penguin runs the Iceberg Lounge as a legitimate front for a fencing operation and other criminal activities.



As for the inevitable "who should play Wonder Woman" conversation above - anyone seen Percy Jackson and the Olympians? Alexandra Daddario, who plays Annabeth, daughter of Athena, could be a real candidate. She looks comfortable in ancient Greek gear and is believeable in a fight. Big blue eyes to boot.

I've seen her in White Collar and haven't been too impressed. She's nice-looking, but doesn't have the charisma or strength Wonder Woman would need, at least not insofar as I've seen. Of Percy Jackson cast members, I'd say Erica Cerra (Hera -- also Deputy Jo Lupus on Eureka) is a more plausible candidate for Wonder Woman.
 
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Please marry me. :)

Aw, that's sweet. Sadly I'm taken - by a guy who I don't think has ever cracked a comic book in his life. Go figure.
Oh, I pretty much saw that coming from a mile away. :p

As for the inevitable "who should play Wonder Woman" conversation above - anyone seen Percy Jackson and the Olympians? Alexandra Daddario, who plays Annabeth, daughter of Athena, could be a real candidate. She looks comfortable in ancient Greek gear and is believeable in a fight. Big blue eyes to boot.
I haven't seen the movie yet (waiting to read the book), but she does look good. As has been pointed out, though, it takes more than looks and even a statuesque figure to play Wonder Woman.
 
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Nolan has already gone on record, as Captaindemotion says, of claiming that The Penguin would not fit into his universe...

Why not? Tim Burton's revisionist version aside, the Penguin is simply a crime boss who fancies himself a member of high society. Of the members of Batman's rogues' gallery, he's one of the easiest ones to handle realistically. Just drop the bird fetish and the umbrella gadgets, and have Oswald Cobblepot be a gangster with pretensions to legitimacy, a man who's nicknamed "the Penguin" by his underworld cronies because of his stout build and fondness for tuxedoes. Maybe go the route of the DCAU, where Penguin runs the Iceberg Lounge as a legitimate front for a fencing operation and other criminal activities.

I absolutely agree. I have no idea why Nolan has qualms about including The Penguin in his Batman movies. As you said, if any one of Batman's villains has the easiest chance at conforming to Nolan's realistic vision, The Penguin should be at the top of that list.
 
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As for the inevitable "who should play Wonder Woman" conversation above - anyone seen Percy Jackson and the Olympians? Alexandra Daddario, who plays Annabeth, daughter of Athena, could be a real candidate. She looks comfortable in ancient Greek gear and is believeable in a fight. Big blue eyes to boot.

I've seen her in White Collar and haven't been too impressed. She's nice-looking, but doesn't have the charisma or strength Wonder Woman would need, at least not insofar as I've seen. Of Percy Jackson cast members, I'd say Erica Cerra (Hera -- also Deputy Jo Lupus on Eureka) is a more plausible candidate for Wonder Woman.

Hera appears in one scene and has no lines in PJ so hard to judge that. All I remember about her from the two or three eps of Eureka I saw is that she's short (5'4"). I'm recommending Daddario largely because she's young and pretty enough to satisfy the "must be hot" qualification - but I liked her because she handled the fight scenes well. And she's nearly 5'9", which is about as tall as we can hope for in an actress. I think expecting great acting chops is unrealistic. They can't do something as basic as get a script together - someone who looks vaguely Amazonian (including giving the impression that she can actually kick some ass) will be a freaking miracle.
 
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I don't much care for the original article. The author takes too many swipes at both Superman Returns and even the Christopher Reeve movies, both of which I absolutely love. Even if Reeve's sequels were lacking, you gotta respect the Richard Donner original.

Is is somewhat reminiscent of what WB did in the nineties when Tim Burton, based on his Batman success, oversaw a Superman movie. Obviously, it never came to pass and, if it did, no one here would ever complain about Superman Returns again! :p

Truthfully, I am less worried with Nolan overseeing things than I was with Tim Burton. If anyone remembers, Burton was much more dismissive of the classic Superman when he was handling the movie.

The problem with Tim Burton is that nearly all of his movies are dark, gothic, & weird. Tim Burton & Batman was a wonderful marriage of style & subject matter. But in no way were any of Burton's trademarks suitable for Superman.

Chris Nolan isn't freakish. What makes his Batman movies work (in a completely different way from how Burton's worked) is an interest in the psychology of the character and establishing the character in a very real environment. I'm not sure how well Superman could fit into that mold, although we certainly see Nolan's interest in the fantastic grounded in reality in The Prestige. I'm not saying he's right for Superman but he's certainly not as obviously wrong as Burton was.

And I'm not sure I even agree that the depiction of Superman's flight is that, err, verisimilitudinous. To be honest, it looks like an actor being flown on wires rather than a man launching himself skyward with his own power. My father always found it very unconvincing for that reason, the fact that Reeve didn't seem to jump or push off at all (which he couldn't do without relaxing the tension in the wires and screwing up the movement).

Because that version of Superman doesn't fly by any conceivable physical means. He generates a tactile anti-gravity field. That's why Lois Lane could fly evenly beside him while they were holding hands.
 
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I don't much care for the original article. The author takes too many swipes at both Superman Returns and even the Christopher Reeve movies, both of which I absolutely love. Even if Reeve's sequels were lacking, you gotta respect the Richard Donner original.
The original article was amended to give a more thorough assessment of the Christopher Reeve movies, with positive references to the first two.
 
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As to Krypton as a giant crystal, perhaps it used to be a more organic planet with great biodiversity but the native Kryptonians eventually killed it by neglecting the environment. The crystal somehow recycles the atmosphere and sustains life in other ways but it's a poor artificial biosphere.

I thought Margot Kidder was great in Superman: The Movie but was horrible in the Lester-directed portions of Superman II. Moreover, she is a helluvalot better looking in the cinematography in Donner's shots than in Lester's.

I love Kidder's crackling chemistry with Reeve. (For that matter, I've loved Kidder in everything I've seen her in. She a great fun, ballsy chick, especially in her more recent stuff.) However, I WOULD kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
 
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