Chakotay/Seven - the pairing that came out of nowhere.
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Everyone does not.Everyone agrees, it was utterly dreadful. I'm pretty sure they broke up 30 pages into the first post-"Endgame" novel
I'm fine with Seven/Chakotay.
I see it as an agency thing. Seven and Chuckles can each make up their own minds, it's not my place to second guess them.
It makes a good story precisely because it's so random, like real life.
I see it as an agency thing. Seven and Chuckles can each make up their own minds, it's not my place to second guess them.
It makes a good story precisely because it's so random, like real life.
How exactly is any of this "random"? They were together in the delta quadrant for 4 years, or 35,136 hours, of which 78 were shown. This means we witnessed approximately .002% of the time they were together. And, this doesn't even take into account how much screen time each of them got in those 78 hours, so the percentage significantly less. Assuming a very liberal guess of 25% screen time, this means we witnessed only .0005% of the time they were together on Voyager. Since 99.9995% of the time they were together on Voyager is unknown to us...
hmmm.
Looks like you answered your own question there, by appealing to data not in evidence!
Depending on unseen (i.e., unknown) factors is one of the quintessential characteristics of a random process.
Like real life?
So, it is completly normal that 2 people who spent almost 4 years to avoid each other (quite simply because they could not stand each other) while living on the same vessel, finally decide to date after having spent 2-3 weeks of (forced) collabaration?! I'm pretty sure that friends/colleagues and relatives would not see it as well At worst, it's suspicious (there's a hidden reason from one of the parties in the presence to this sudden abrupt turnaround like trying make someone jealous in order to push her/him to react) At best, it's ridiculous, especially when people do not know what they will become (= we do not make empty promises to someone who is quite sensitive and inexperienced to loving feelings and who will basically takewhat is said to her/him at face value)
Like real life?
what is said to her/him at face value)
... as if in real life people never pass judgment on other peoples' romantic choices.
... as if in real life people never pass judgment on other peoples' romantic choices.
Sure but let's be honest, this kind of relationship never last a long time and can leave behind a lot of regret afterwards.
Like real life?
Sure ... Sleep with the man who orders you killed. Happens all the time.
It isn't, it wasn't, it ain't ever gonna be.
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B'Elanna was superduperhappy about carrying a virtual halfNazi baby.
The Doctor cut into Seven's brain with a scalpel, and he still thought that he had a chance.
Did the Queen call dibs on Harry, and that's why Seven left him alone?
The Doctor cut into Seven's brain with a scalpel, and he still thought that he had a chance.
Did the Queen call dibs on Harry, and that's why Seven left him alone?
Could you refresh my memory? In which episode(s) did Chakotay order Seven killed?
Scorpion, Part II
He tries to throw her out an airlock (stubborn Seven holds on for dear life).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)
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Huh?
In the Killing Game, where the crew was trapped on a Holodeck set to France WWII, B'Elanna had false memories and a false preggo belly. That Klingon believed that she had seduced a Nazi commander to help the resistance, trading sex for secrets, but did not exactly get the goose stepper to pullout fast enough (goose pullout?). When real B'Elanna got her memories back, she could not remember her own fake backstory, but she also could not remove the holographic babybump clinging to her body, and did not care for it at all.
Yeah.
What you're saying is a rather twisted way of looking at it. Seven was still a drone and the Borg were trying to assimilate Voyager. Chakotay had warned the drones that he would eject them into space if they tried this, and when they disregarded his warning he kept his promise to save the ship. At that point in time, Seven was a drone under Borg control threatening the ship's existence.
After Janeway recovered and resumed command, Chakotay helped Seven break free of the Borg Collective. (Janeway had lied to the drone Seven when she told her that Chakotay had been put in the brig for disobeying her; he hadn't been. Instead, Chakotay was set up as Janeway's ace in the hole for the contingency that Seven would attempt to take over the ship from Janeway herself.)
Be that as it may, I found it bizarre that Seven would SLEEP with the man who ordered her killed!
Who DOES that?
James Bond.
Sure ... Sleep with the man who orders you killed. Happens all the time.
It isn't, it wasn't, it ain't ever gonna be.
EXACTLY.
SCORPION - part 2. When Seven of Nine accompanied by 2 other Borg) ordered Chakotay to turn around to return to their vessel and
in front of his refusal, they tried to take control of the Voyager to force the crew to obey. After 2 warnings, Chakotay then made the decision to open the door of the decompression chamber in order to throw them into space. From 3 Borg on the vessel, only Seven managed to cling to the walls long enough not to be sucked.
-> so yes, right the moment Chakotay gave the order to open the door of the decompression chamber, he gave an execution order
with the intention of getting rid of Seven and her henchmen.
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Plus many times, Chakotay did not hesitate to say all the harm he thought of Seven and how Janeway was wrong to absolutely want to keep her on board.
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