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Spoilers Centenary Special trailer

As far as I know, there hasn't been a follow-up to that Ace spoiler. So that's a viable work around but I've always hated that story conceit in general and I've been hoping it'll be undone.

See, Big Finish ain't perfect either. ;)
 
Ace is actually the Timeless Child, and that’s not a portal, it’s a stable Time Storm put there by Fenric, who paid the Master to lie with recordings of The Clangers — but in a shock turnaround, that’s not really the Master, it’s actually Andred, who went mad and had his biodata fused withe Master after Leela decided to go fight in the Time War but insisted on using tiny clocks fashioned into throwing knives.
Man, making up utter bollocks dripping with classic series references is easy.
 
Wouldn't be the first time it happened in the show.

Or Big Finish.

Or the novels (any of the ranges).

Or the comics.

Or...
 
It was more a ‘ah well, it’s sad to see they either occurred almost identically twice, or the original didn’t happen at all, but at least the original authors getting the kudos and the story or a version of it is being enjoyed by a wider audience’ but what is happening here might be considered a dick move because it’s giving little in return for the retcons, especially after BF *has* been given such high attention in the past.
Bro, do you even media tie-in? The main facet of a franchise is always ignoring/contradicting its tie-in material mostly because that's just how shit's done. Placing the tie-ins on a pedestal and having the show beholden to it would be the tail wagging the dog, and that never happens.

The only reason Night of the Doctor acknowledged the Eighth Doctor's Big Finish companions was convenience. If you're going to have the Eighth Doctor reminisce on all his various companions just prior to regenerating, might as well use names that will mean something to Paul McGann, which the BF companion names did. The novel companions or a bunch of made up names would carry no significance to McGann whatsoever.
 
Bro, do you even media tie-in? The main facet of a franchise is always ignoring/contradicting its tie-in material mostly because that's just how shit's done. Placing the tie-ins on a pedestal and having the show beholden to it would be the tail wagging the dog, and that never happens.

The only reason Night of the Doctor acknowledged the Eighth Doctor's Big Finish companions was convenience. If you're going to have the Eighth Doctor reminisce on all his various companions just prior to regenerating, might as well use names that will mean something to Paul McGann, which the BF companion names did. The novel companions or a bunch of made up names would carry no significance to McGann whatsoever.

I have been reading, amongst other things, a long time. You may have picked up on hints in the posts, as well as other useful information.
 
If it helps, consider The Gathering a pre-Time War story that got wiped out by the events of the War. That's what I do with a lot of contradicting/retconned stories (like the Eighth Doctor BBC novels and the Mary Shelley/Eighth Doctor audio adventures). The later Tegan reference in the Sarah Jane Lockdown audio and At Childhood's End is a little harder to justify, but I guess we can chalk that up to the Division/Flux/'Spy' Master throwing a huge monkey wrench in the Doctor's timeline (along with the Brigadier retcon). I'm assuming Sophie's okay with it or she'd have told Chibnall to sod off when she saw the script.
 
If it helps, consider The Gathering a pre-Time War story that got wiped out by the events of the War. That's what I do with a lot of contradicting/retconned stories (like the Eighth Doctor BBC novels and the Mary Shelley/Eighth Doctor audio adventures). The later Tegan reference in the Sarah Jane Lockdown audio and At Childhood's End is a little harder to justify, but I guess we can chalk that up to the Division/Flux/'Spy' Master throwing a huge monkey wrench in the Doctor's timeline (along with the Brigadier retcon). I'm assuming Sophie's okay with it or she'd have told Chibnall to sod off when she saw the script.

I don’t think I am hugely fussed (shockingly I have yet to read my copy of At Childhoods End) but I fear that one of the reasons it’s been a rough few years of Who is because no-one has ever said ‘sod off Chris’ when they saw the scripts. He might have got the crayons out and had another go.
 
No one has ever said to any Doctor Who writer, “Could you rewrite your script to preserve the narrative integrity of this tie-in that had a tenth of a percent of the audience the episode will?” Needing to turn every petty complaint into evidence of Chibnall’s failings doesn’t help the case against him; at this point the overnight ratings are making that case single-handedly anyway…
 
I think the point is being missed in terms of what has mildly annoyed a few people.
No expects the whole ‘tie ins should be canon’ thing. No one. Even though Who has historically had a different approach to other franchises since the wilderness years, because many of those formerly official continuations were worked on by the *same* people who work on the show now. (Davies, Gatiss, Briggs, Tennant… ) and so the ‘you can’t expect them to know about *that*’ justification doesn’t entirely apply.
But, there’s two things at play here. Let’s look at Tegan.
‘Tegan is alive, that contradicts x’ (something we are used to with Ace, because she always becomes a time traveller, and always dies, almost as a deliberate way of separating a work from another continuity… she also usually gets better)
Fair enough… because the story benefit of ‘here is Tegan in a meaningful role again’ is enough of a fannish ‘win’ that it really doesn’t matter, and most people won’t mind *even if they knew about her ‘death’. (To go back to Ace, I probably enjoyed the comic in which she died more than Set Piece, and I enjoyed Alien Bodies more than both. I did not enjoy most of the later BF stories, didn’t like Hex, but loved their first two NA Ace stories. Haven’t heard Love and War yet, and I think there’s more.)
The throwaway lines that discount whole swathes of stories? Those aren’t a fannish win, and they disallow the vagueness of characters timelines that allow other writers and teams to squint and squeeze stories into.
Those demonstrate *clumsiness* rather than a desire for creativity.

They also yet again demonstrate Chibnall’s disregard for any work other than his own.

If it’s sheer audience numbers that count, then sod it… Dimensions In Time called, and says it is more canon than the entire Chibnall era. (I fully expect someone to go full Pixley with the numbers to discount this — I don’t care.)
I suspect SJA can do the same.
 
No one has ever said to any Doctor Who writer, “Could you rewrite your script to preserve the narrative integrity of this tie-in that had a tenth of a percent of the audience the episode will?” Needing to turn every petty complaint into evidence of Chibnall’s failings doesn’t help the case against him; at this point the overnight ratings are making that case single-handedly anyway…
Except it isn't petty. Its genuine frustration about a man who has signally and persistently shown an ignorance of what makes DW work and a clear misunderstanding the character herself. Fans like you continually brush it off, when its a real concern. You may not agree with it, that's your own business. But that's not what you do, instead you deceptively throw it on the side as a "petty" remark, as if we're talking about Moffat and his casual but misguided ignorance of climaxes. Difference being crucial: Chibnall is no Moffat.
 
Coming back to the actual trailer and the possibilities of this special...

I know there's going to be a lot crammed into this episode and only so much can be done, but I really hope Tegan and Ace get to share a scene with Kate. They both knew her father and it would wonderful if they told Kate how much they admired him.
 
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Slightly off at a tangent but I do feel sorry for Whittaker given this will be her final episode because it does feel like it'll be a broader Dr Who/BBC celebration. If Legend of the Sea Devils had been her last episode I wonder how that would have gone?
Maybe she does stay behind rather than Ji-Han?
 
If Legend of the Sea Devils had been her last episode I wonder how that would have gone?

Sea Devils was never her last episode. It was an extra episode added when they decided to make the last episode part of the BBC Centenary celebrations. In fact it was added so late in the day that they had to draw up new contracts for the cast before they could even shoot it.
 
Sea Devils was never her last episode. It was an extra episode added when they decided to make the last episode part of the BBC Centenary celebrations. In fact it was added so late in the day that they had to draw up new contracts for the cast before they could even shoot it.

Thanks, my misunderstanding obviously. So originally we'd have gone from Eve of the Daleks to the Centenary episode then.
 
Gotta say I'm loving the Master's Rasputin look. Wonder if this is after he's crawled his way back up from the sewers of Terserus? ;)

936 years in a sodding sewer!


I think people are overestimating how much Big Finish this actually contradicts. The only Ace story that takes place after she leaves the Doctor is Dark Universe, and the only Tegan story is The Gathering, which was already contradicted by “Death of the Doctor” and the “Farewell, Sarah Jane” webcast.

Gotta love Doctor Who fans who can respond to a bit of fan-service by saying “this would make me hate this bit of Doctor Who even more if I didn’t already hate this other bit of Doctor Who anyway.”

And on top of all that, DW has the ultimate excuse for any bad continuity...."It's Timey Wimey"
 
So originally we'd have gone from Eve of the Daleks to the Centenary episode then.

Indeed.

And amongst the many stories to be told about the production of this last set of stories will be the fact that Chibnall & Co weren't told about the Bad Wolf deal and Russell's return until the day before the rest of us found out, so were halfway through shooting the final episode in the belief that it could very well be the FINAL episode.
 
Indeed.

And amongst the many stories to be told about the production of this last set of stories will be the fact that Chibnall & Co weren't told about the Bad Wolf deal and Russell's return until the day before the rest of us found out, so were halfway through shooting the final episode in the belief that it could very well be the FINAL episode.

I'm never going to be a fan of Chibnall or his era but I do think it's going to come out one day that he and Whittaker kept the ship afloat until RTD returned-much like Moffat kept it going until the Beeb could convince Chibnall to take the job!
 
I'm never going to be a fan of Chibnall or his era but I do think it's going to come out one day that he and Whittaker kept the ship afloat until RTD returned-much like Moffat kept it going until the Beeb could convince Chibnall to take the job!

I suspect only if it transpires it was because he/they were contracted for x number of years rather than x number of series/episode, and between the excruciatingly slow speed of production and the pandemic (which is at least something I can’t hold the chap responsible) the meter just ran out.
 
Am I the only one that would like a cheeky little reference to the 1993 Children in Need special "Demensions in Tima" (aka The crossover with EastEnders)? Lol

I mean Ace saying even half a line about fighting the time she fought the Rani at the Cutty Sark would be gold! Lol
 
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