As I pointed out at the time, that one also wiped out The Five Doctors if you took it too seriously...
Spoilers Centenary Special trailer
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You heard it here first! The centenary special is the long awaited sequel to Death Comes to Time!
Just to be clear -- and I hope the smiley does that -- I am entirely kidding. DCcT doesn't fit with anything. It doesn't even fit with Doctor Who! I sort of admire it for that reason.
I think more people liked DiT than Flux, and more watched it… and credit where it’s due, DCtT had a great cast and some wonderful ideas in it. (Ace becomes some variant of a Time Lady in every variant… I kept I expecting her to show up as head of the Time Agency and Jacks boss in modern who. Long live Time’s Vigilante)
Yeah, I would love to get a reference to Hex!
don't do it Chibnall.
Yeah, that's one thing I'm worried about. I'm sure everything will be aot of fun but I don't like that notion at all.
But I won't hate Chibnall for it if it does happen because there are worse things in the universe.
The Big Finish stuff featuring Ace and At Childhoods End can coexist with the Centenary Special because Doctor Who has no official Canon.
* sigh *
At this point, some people are just looking for excuses to rage against the Chibnall Era and it's rather sad.
* sigh *
At this point, some people are just looking for excuses to rage against the Chibnall Era and it's rather sad.
I don't need an excuse. His reign has sucked shit and it's criminal that Whittaker has been wasted during his run.
Then why bring them back at all?
Why bother with *any* of the things that *ever* come back?
It’s the same show that’s been running since 1963, and at various points the ‘licensed media’ *has* been de-facto a continuation (to the point that many things on screen in Who since it’s return owe their genesis and origins to The Canon That Never Was) and yeah, those particularly like to get in dickwaving retcons, shortly before someone realises fans like continuity and canon, and give us something like The Gallifrey Chronicles to help sort that all out.
Chibnall couldn’t write his way out of a wet paper bag. Ignoring whether he can do any of the other things his job entails, the one big thing — write a decent Doctor Who story — he just cannot do. He’s leading the band after Miles Davis has gone out, but he’s using a kazoo and playing someone else’s tunes.
He is really, really, truly, a bad bad writer who somehow lucked into the job, possibly by getting the rounds in at the fitz sometime after his spot of eighties infamy.
He makes Eric Saward *and* Pip and Jane look like bloody Shakespeare in comparison. If Cartmel had a Masterplan, we’re lucky if Chibnall’s got a bloody Tube Map.
Tegan and Ace are in the Centenary Special because Chibnall wanted to use them.
It's as simple as that.
Whether or not their presence takes into account things like Big Finish audios or At Childhood's End is immaterial and irrelevant.
It's as simple as that.
Whether or not their presence takes into account things like Big Finish audios or At Childhood's End is immaterial and irrelevant.
Were people this fucked off when Rusty nicked Jubilee and Human Nature for his tenure?
Not that I recall but I hadn't started listening to Big Finish yet (and I've never read any of the books).
Also, I was on the other side of things back then. I had a lot of issues with how Davies ran things, mostly the overfocus on contemporary Earth and barely any alien worlds...also Rose in the second series (but I was never so damn angry as some people are here and now).
So when we got "Dalek," "Human Nature," and "The Family of Blood,", I was thrilled to see such rich storytelling.
It was more a ‘ah well, it’s sad to see they either occurred almost identically twice, or the original didn’t happen at all, but at least the original authors getting the kudos and the story or a version of it is being enjoyed by a wider audience’ but what is happening here might be considered a dick move because it’s giving little in return for the retcons, especially after BF *has* been given such high attention in the past.
It’s possibly a dick move, but the same dick move BF itself once pulled, and if it’s undoing character deaths then I likely care even less.
In this case, did we need the ‘oh it’s been thirty years’ line etc? Probably not. Could have left it vague to help someone handwave.
It’s like when They listed every planet the fifth doctor had been to in an audio… even the writer went ‘fuck that was a dick move, please ignore it’
It’s possibly a dick move, but the same dick move BF itself once pulled, and if it’s undoing character deaths then I likely care even less.
In this case, did we need the ‘oh it’s been thirty years’ line etc? Probably not. Could have left it vague to help someone handwave.
It’s like when They listed every planet the fifth doctor had been to in an audio… even the writer went ‘fuck that was a dick move, please ignore it’
Yeah, you're definitely overreacting.
It's not a dick move. It's just a creative choice. In the case of Tegan and Ace, it's to remind viewers or, more importantly, tell viewers who are unfamiliar with those characters, how long it's been for them.
You're more than welcome to ignore the lines and still enjoy the rest of the episode. To take it so personally is, again, silly.
It's not a dick move. It's just a creative choice. In the case of Tegan and Ace, it's to remind viewers or, more importantly, tell viewers who are unfamiliar with those characters, how long it's been for them.
You're more than welcome to ignore the lines and still enjoy the rest of the episode. To take it so personally is, again, silly.
No, because, as I keep saying, Doctor Who has no Canon.
Repeating this endlessly will not make it true.
There's no Pablo Hidalgo-like figure behind the scenes Doctor Who. But your description of Disney's Star Wars attitude to tie-ins -- "If we like it, we'll use it" -- is pretty close to the mark for everything. Doctor Who is basically a giant storytelling toy box, it's filled with stories that have been told for sixty years, and producers and writers can pull out the toys they want to play with and ignore the toys they don't. But ignoring the toys doesn't mean the toys are gone. They're still there, and someone else might want to pick them up and play with them later. Heck, RTD himself pulled out a Yarvelling reference for one of the Lockdown stories! (Yarvelling was the original creator of the Daleks, pre-"Genesis.") "It's all true," as Garak would say, even the parts that don't fit and were never meant to fit.
You're right; the fact that it is true is what makes it true.
Major spoilers for Ace/Gallifrey: Time War ahead.
Tegan, on the other hand, is a lot harder to justify as not conflicting with The Gathering but as folks have pointed out, it's already been contradicted elsewhere (and frankly I'm happy to wipe that story from continuity anyways).
Brax takes Ace out of the Time War by faking her death to Narvin and Romana and dropping her on Earth, having erased her memories. It's unclear just how much he erased, so he could have wiped her memories all the way back to her last adventure with the Doctor. She also wonders if he was the Doctor as he departs. So I don't think this conflicts with BF at all, unless it's been undone in later stories.
Tegan, on the other hand, is a lot harder to justify as not conflicting with The Gathering but as folks have pointed out, it's already been contradicted elsewhere (and frankly I'm happy to wipe that story from continuity anyways).
