Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Richard Baker, Dec 30, 2015.
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum
Ooh, excellent choice!
Prelude and Sushi!
Coffee and Patches!
Something for everyone at
Green screens and carpet!
Vulcans and Klingons!
Something for everyone at
Fulfillment Goddess, a cat named Boomer
And Alec Peters at
Axanar, Axanar, Axanar, Axanaaaaaaar
Blazzing Saddles ?
For he wore a stinking combadge
He rode a tarnished star
He created fear and he inspired hate and he turned the fans away
He wore a stinking combadge, a torch to smell the way
When CBS will come he'll be sitting on his thumb and Garth was his name, yes Garth was his name
He wore a stinkin' combadge so fund him one more day.
^^^ Yours is DEFINITELY Blazing Saddles
Stephen Sondheim's Comedy Tonight
If he follows through with the 501c3 application, and it's granted by the IRS, then donations to their future endeavors become tax-deductible. He must hope that will bring more support.
Blame those that keep giving him their money, because so far, he's right.
It's easy to blame the mark for falling prey to a grifter, but I don't (and I don't think you really do either). They want to believe, so he takes advantage. It's all on him.
The marks aren't totally blameless either, especially the ones that give him new money after old for a film he continues not to make. "Fool me twice, shame on me" is a valid criticism. At some point, the potential or actual marks have to decide not to give him any more money. That decision is all on them. He's not using mind control or hypnosis. He's just making promises. They want to believe he'll deliver, fine, but that's a choice they're making. He's not making it for them.
Donating money is one thing, running around bashing other productions is another but doing both just sucks.
Johnathan Lane has a new Fan Film Factor Blog up in which Alec Peters answers questions about the Axanar Finacial Reports:
Normally, I wouldn't really bother, but I COULDN'T BELIEVE how Alec Peters is now attempting to explain his listing of paying himself a $38,000 Salary in the December 2015 Axanar Financial Report:
Wow, just wow. Talk about 'alternate fatcs'.
So, he says the "salary" in 2015 was actually reimbursements for "loans" he gave the project in 2016. Did I read that right?? Is he that good of a financial planner that he can predict future deficits?? And if so, why didn't he apply those skills to other aspects of the film project?
It's slightly amazing how brazen he is saying things like that when he must realise we can point to forum posts and podcasts where he himself heavily justified paying himself a salary.
He's also banging this drum of his own money going into Axanar a lot. It's a fan film. Of course you should've sunk your own money into it.
Okay. This is a new one to me,
Has anyone else heard this before and I just missed it?
And actually it is just another variation of the recurring trope I've seen frequently used during thiswholething:
'This is gonna be big but we can't talk about it',
'this actor wants to but we can't talk about it yet'
'that actor wants to but we can't say yet'
'all these people we meet want to work on it but we can't tell you who they are yet'
'there are film productions ready but we can't say which one yet'
'somebody but we can't talk about it'
'something but we can't say'
'some group but we can't tell you who'
'some big new stuff but we can't talk about it.'
The thing is I use to keep a list of the 'we can't talk about it yet', 'we can tell you yet', 'we can't tell you because they said so'
I 'think' I remembering correctly that out of the 17 or so on it I'd found only confirmation of two ever came to happened. I'd found documentation that two of them were outright false. Documentation where he says it was said 'somebody else' fault. And the rest of them were just never mentioned again. Just faded away.......
The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
All I'm seeing at this time is just another change in narrative to fit the new version.
-the special shipping company 'we found' ---- but well, okay, it's mine after all.
-"Prelude to Ax’d-We-Are is a love letter to this amazing fan production" (on his website written by one of his bloggers & credited co-writer/voice actor) -------to which Mr. Largent, the creator of the film came here to this Thread to give his version. He liked Prelude, he wanted to do something relevant to current culture, he intentionally made it so it could be viewed from either perspective as being on their side because he wanted to reach as big an audience as possible, and that "I'm in it for the laughs."
-"We intend to turn this warehouse and office space into a fully functional sound stage. This will allow us to not only make “Axanar” but other Star Trek projects after Axanar and other Sci-Fi projects. (Robert Burnett and I have already acquired the rights to a fantastic book series by David Gerrold.)" ---- but later "Would we like to make movies after Axanar? Sure would, but that is all speculative"
-'It isn't a fan film. If you want to see a fan film go watch one of theirs' ------- but, and immediately, after being served with a lawsuit 'It's a fan film. It's always been a fan film'
This one is outstanding:
----- but, well, no, it is Not universally loved by Star Trek fans is it. That is precisely what this year+ long hubbub has demonstrated over and over... and over again. It is beyond dispute, unequivocally, irrefutably, and repeatedly documented that Axanar is 'Not' universally loved by Star Trek fans.
Slightly amazing? This man is Unbelievably easy to document; in his own voice in his own podcasts, in his own voice as a guest in multiple other podcasts, in his on official website, in his own vlogs, in his own tweets, in his business documents, in his own threads, in his own testimony, in his own emails, on video of him on a panel, in his own interviews after interviews after interviews, in his own posts, in a voicemail for heaven's sake to a person he's mad as hell at and saying really bad things in. How could he possibly think that wouldn't be kept.
Never mind Ever paying attention to Anybody's Speculations or complaints or conjectures on Anything ------ just listen to him.
Oh definitely. They can point to the "Haters" all they want but much initial reservations came about entirely from their own actions. The revisionism, blaming donors when they asked reasonable questions (not even getting into the banning - just the "well you're clearly not reading our blogs" attitude") shaming donors on the basis of only donating $10 or the like.
I followed the project closely. I was excited by the studio acquisition. I followed all the set construction pictures with great interest. Heck I even still enjoy Prelude. I *was* the kind of donor they kept talking about, up to date with podcasts, blogs and FB groups. That's what set off the warning bells (sadly not soon enough for my own bank balance). Not Carlos or anyone else. Alec's own words.
Keep up the publicity...........the more that gets out there, the more that gets circulated/repeated, the less likely this two-bit grifter will succeed with his next con
Sadly, people like Jonathon (Slow) Lane and Hubcap Dave will never see him for what he is, until he screws them over. They will keep their blinders on and scream from the rafters about Alec being a visionary and the only true keeper of "Gene's Vision". Until he finally fucks them over as well. Hell in the pre-lawsuit days I was a huge fan. It was only after the lawsuit dropped and I started asking questions on the fan page that I hoped were just misunderstanding that I was promptly banned. THAT made decide maybe he was just a conman. Hell if he had any people skills I may have gone on thinking he was the poor victim.
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