Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by jespah, May 10, 2018.
dystopia, n. a world in which Alex Peters grifts never go away
Not in the Federation. Thus the whole Fenris Rangers bit.
There was more than one? No, there was not. There was a person who was struggling with past pain.
The person who committed a mutiny went to jail.
So, Star Trek? Because that's happened before, and never has gone through, just like in this show.
So, no, it doesn't qualify under that definition of dystopia because it is doing things Star Trek has always done. Shown aspects of human nature, both dark and light, and how to become better. Hell, I might not give a lot of credit to Axanar but the entire Prelude thing was about a war and how it could cause them to give in to fear of the Klingons. It's not dystopian to struggle when faced with so much pain and death.
VOY S1 Ep 5 "Phage."
TOS S1 Ep 0 "The Cage."
DS9, S3 Eps 11 and 12, "Past Tense, Parts I & II."
First off: The invocation of the stereotype of a "crackhead" in reference to a black woman is, whether you consciously intended it to be or not, a very racist thing to say. I'm sure you didn't intend it, but it is. I strongly urge you not to do that again.
Secondly: With regards to the idea of sympathetic characters who are bad parents:
TOS S2 Ep 15 "Journey to Babel." Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. DS9 S6 Ep 3 "Sons and Daughters."
With regards to sympathetic characters with substance abuse problems: Star Trek: First Contact. T'Pol and Trellium-D in ENT S3.
TOS S1 Eps 15 & 16, "The Menagerie, Parts I & II." TOS S2 Ep 5 "Amok Time." TOS S3 Ep 24 "Turnabout Intruder." Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. TNG S4 Ep 3 "Brothers." TNG S7 Ep 12 "The Pegasus." DS9 S1 Ep 18 "Dramatis Personae." DS9 S3 Ep 21 "The Die is Cast." Star Trek: First Contact. Star Trek: Inusrrection. VOY S7 Ep 4 "Repression."
Violent acts committed by main characters acting under the influence of alien mind control or mind-altering phenomenon have never been depicted as legally binding upon the characters. No one court-martialed Geordi for trying to assassinate the Klingon ambassador under Romulan mind control in "The Mind's Eye." No one held Data, Troi, or O'Brien responsible for their actions in "Power Play." No one held Picard criminally liable for the deaths of thousands of Federation citizens he perpetuated as Locutus in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II."
TNG S2 Ep 15 "Pen Pals." TNG S7 Ep 13 "Homeward."
No, they're still the exceptions to the rule.
Not that I actually have a problem with dystopian fiction, but the Federation being reduced to a handful of planets and nearly being wiped out by a single aggressive faction seems kinda dystopian. Things do improve over the course of the season, though, but Kevin Sorbo could show up at any moment.
First, the poster in question hadn’t watched season 3 of Disco so that’s not really being discussed. But if it were, isn’t the issue more of where the story leaves us as opposed to where it begins? Even still, every step along the way in that season shows hope. Hell, the first and last episodes are called “That Hope is You.”
(Queue the commentary that everything in Disco is about Burnham.)
Don't forget Enterprise. We saw an actual slave auction in one episode.
Also the EMH Mk 1s being used as slaves in a mine in Voyager.
This is an AXANAR thread right?
Luckily for us, Michael Burnham is a far more interesting character played by a far more talented actor than Alex's Garth of Izar, the centrepiece around which Axanar orbits.
So interesting that we have a whole forum dedicated to it
Axanar is nothing but an endless source of people trying to cling on to some weird hope of something I don't understand.
I've noticed that many of the older Trek episodes pointed to as validations of the darker aspects of the Federation in newer Trek are absolutely horrible episodes that I've always hated...
Well, I'll certainly grant you the better actor point...
I like how you ignored everything else pointed out as examples. Anyways lets get back on topic shall we?
Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother.
*sits back and waits for more Axadrama.*
Hate them all you want, but they're still part of ST canon and demonstrate that nothing DIS and PIC are doing is without precedent.
I wouldn't care if they were dark or stayed dark, as long as they were interesting. God, I wish they were interesting.
As a TOS era fan, I found season 2 of Star Trek Discovery very interesting. Season 3 not so much, and to be honest I'm not really all that interested in Star Trek Discovery season 4.
As for Picard season 1; I loved how it started... I couldn't stand how it finished. That said, they soon to be taking a whole new tact for season 2 with both Q (and if rumors are to be believed because it was stated she accepted Patrick Stewart's invitation publicly on The View), and Guinan on Picard Season 2; Plus an alternate timeline that seems more interesting than the actual timeline shown in Season 1, I'm at least curious about Picard Season 2.
The above said I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone here that I'm really chomping at the bit to see: Star Trek Strange New Worlds, which just finished principal photography of its first Season.
No Star Trek has been perfect and while I’m somewhat entertained enough by P+ Trek, none of its my favorite. Having said that, Lower Decks is a ton of fun and I’m truly looking forward to SNW.
I'm late for a Hortaculture joke huh. Have you heard? Axanar expected to be released in Spring 2022?
I was all set to say "TOS was perfect", but then I remembers "Spock's Brain".
Don't forget "Way to Eden", Herbert.
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