CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by jespah, May 10, 2018.

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Do you enjoy pie?

  1. Yes, sweet, please

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  2. Yes, savory, please

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  3. Yes, any kind

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  4. No, I'm a heathen

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  1. Jedi_Master

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    "Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... a long time. You know what? I'm ok with that, actually"
     
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  2. shapeshifter

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    OMG :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:my sides hurt, someone call an ambulance. ;)
     
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  3. Matthew Raymond

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    Personally, I think he's a little too emotionally invested to be objective, but he's still WAAAAAAAAAY better than Jenkins. At least Carlos isn't in it for the money.
    Yeah, those are called "sock puppets".

    There's an objective way to know if something is cannon. Just check to see if it's .50 caliber or over.
     
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  4. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    Plus if it involves Picard molesting a PTSD scarred Riker........I doubt Paramount is considering it. :guffaw:
     
  5. SITZKRIEG!

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    Considering it? They've probably got the script written given how dark and dystopian current trek has been. That sounds like a thematic followup to Icheb's torture porn and mercy killing.
     
  6. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    Still not over that?

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  7. Noname Given

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    Never saw TNGs two-part episode "Chain Of Command" I assume as that two-part episode had some way more disturbing scenes than the death of Icheb from Picard S1.
     
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  8. Campe

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    Maybe I’m either calloused or just naive but I have no idea how, when looking at the seasons as a whole, how Paramount+ Trek can be considered to be dystopian. Maybe a little dark, but Berman Trek sure had some dark moments too.

    Sometimes I think dystopian is code word for “I don’t like it.”
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Same here. "Dystopian" has been completely warped to suit describing a show in the worst possible way.
     
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  10. SITZKRIEG!

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    No need to roll them chicken bones or consult the Ouija board. I hope this helps.

    https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZLBR&pc=MOZI&q=dystopian

    "relating to or denoting an imagined state or society where there is great suffering or injustice.

    I didn't watch season 3 of DISCO or Lower Decks so can't comment on that but DISCO s1/2 and Pic S1 sure does focus on those. Unless of course forced organ harvesting, slavery, concentration camps, future crackhead deadbeat moms, mutiny and murder committed by main characters with little to no consequence, and genocide commited or condoned by Federation citizens or the Federation itself doesn't qualify for your personal definition of suffering or injustice...

    Berman trek showed the cracks in the surface of the utopia that Roddenberry set up as the exception to the rule whereas current trek not only focuses on them but shoves a crowbar into them to make them bigger so as to make them the default. There is a difference and it's ok if you like the latter just like it should be ok if I don't.
     
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  11. Campe

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    Must be me. I don’t sense a lot of suffering or injustice of these series. Episodically, yes, there is darkness. Things seem hopeless sometimes. But when it comes down to it, the forces of good prevail. That’s not a dystopia. That’s drama.
     
  12. Nerys Myk

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    So, you're saying it's Star Trek?
     
  13. CorporalCaptain

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    So was TOS dystopian in "The Cloud Minders?" How about TNG in "Justice," "Angel One," "The Vengeance Factor"?

    What about "Patterns of Force"? Dystopia? Or something for Kirk and crew to fix? DS9 "Battle Lines," "Far Beyond the Stars," "The Quickening"? :shrug:
     
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  14. 137th Gebirg

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    I believe “Paradise Lost” was intentionally dystopian. It was the whole point of the episode, really, hence the title. :shrug:
     
  15. Sgt_G

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    There's a difference between making an occasional dark episode and a totally dystopian universe.
     
  16. CorporalCaptain

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    I couldn't disagree more. If it had been about dystopia, then the security guards on every corner would have stayed forever.

    The whole point of the episode is simply that the characters realize that the Federation isn't a utopia after all. You can interpret the title "Paradise Lost" to mean that it's about dystopia only if you think that Adam and Eve being expelled from the Garden of Eden means that they were sent to live in a dystopia. That would be a very warped view of the term, because it would mean that all mortal existence is inherently dystopian, in which case it would be an utterly meaningless term.
     
  17. Campe

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    And nothing in Picard or Disco has stayed dark. They’ve come back to the (relative) norm at the end of each season.

    Therefore, dystopia it is not.
     
  18. Therin of Andor

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    Also, if it is a favourite character, someone might be very angry - but not over the death of a character that was not a personal favourite.

    And we don't really want a situation, do we, where every returning character is assumed to be have a charmed life and can never die? Life doesn't work that way.
     
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  19. Admiral2

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    Nope...just crap.

    But thank goodness they're not dystopian crap.
     
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  20. Campe

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    Hey, crap is an opinion. Not one I agree with. But it’s better than calling it something it isn’t.
     
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