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Captain America: The Winter Soldier Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

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If Captain America 3 will not be coming out until May 2016 then will Captain America not catch up to the Winter Soldier for another 2 years? Cause I don't think Avengers: Age of Ultron will have enough time to cover that plot point.
 
Why do they even call it the Triskelion, anyway? I'm assuming it's a reference to how the U.S. Department of Defense headquarters is called the Pentagon (owing to its shape), but neither of the buildings in both TWS and the comics look anything like a triskelion to me.
The three outer ring type structures, presumably, three of them in a triangular arrangement with the main core of the building inside them, based very losely on the symbol.
I must have missed that, then. I'll have to pay better attention next time I see the movie.
 
I saw this film today.

Pretty impressive scripting, pacing....and direction. A complex, and engaging plot....characters you cared about. (Rather than characters put onscreen just to promote another film....i.e. the first Captain America film coming off as a commercial for The Avengers).

Colbie Smulders was hot as Maria Hill. Sam Jackson and Anthony Mackie were pretty good in their roles, but I do hope that Mackie's role doesn't become a 'sidekick' role like with Don Cheadle in the Iron Man films.

I gave the first Captain America a 6/10.

I give Part 2 an 8.5 - 9/10.
 
I saw this film today.

Pretty impressive scripting, pacing....and direction. A complex, and engaging plot....characters you cared about. (Rather than characters put onscreen just to promote another film....i.e. the first Captain America film coming off as a commercial for The Avengers).

Colbie Smulders was hot as Maria Hill. Sam Jackson and Anthony Mackie were pretty good in their roles, but I do hope that Mackie's role doesn't become a 'sidekick' role like with Don Cheadle in the Iron Man films.

I gave the first Captain America a 6/10.

I give Part 2 an 8.5 - 9/10.

I've seen that complaint made about Iron Man 2 (being a commercial for Avengers), and can certainly understand that line of thinking, but I disagree about Cap though. I think it had a great story that was able to stand on it's own.

As for Falcon turning into another Rhodie, I think Sam got more to do than Rhode's did in the Iron Man films.
 
I just read the Winter Soldier comic. They used very very little of it in the movie. This story was more about the Winter Soldier than the movie, and of course nothing about SHIELD infiltration or Zola or Hydra or anything. The villain is the Red Skull.

Speaking of... if, in the movie, Hydra made the Winter Soldier... why does he have a Soviet Red Star on his shoulder?

Presumably, HYDRA worked for SHIELD, the KGB, and any other group that could be pitted against each other to ferment chaos. Certainly, having him seem more likely to be Communist would probably be beneficial to HYDRA. Think SPECTRE in From Russia with Love.

BTW, new internet meme FTW

I assumed the Winter Soldier's history was supposed to be similar to the comics except that HYDRA got full control of him after a while. That file we saw later in the movie appeared to be written in Cyrillic. I wish they'd made the point clearer, though.

For what Interpol is allowed to to do, which is nothing earth shattering, which I underlined already, they are allowed to go almost any where, with out much fuss to do it.

It's the international co-operation that is relevant... Why am I thinking of the proton accelerators from Ghost busters being deeply illegal and no regulatory consideration getting onto that?

No law covered them up to then. Five minutes after the movie was over, they were made illegal. Walter Peck's revenge.

Pepper Potts was Tony's secretary back when Stark Industries was in the weapons business. Tony's dad been been one of SHIELD's founders, and neither Tony (IIRC) nor Pepper had heard of SHIELD. SHIELD must have kept a really low profile, up until that time.

Well, in general the world hadn't heard of S.H.I.E.L.D. until the alien invasion in New York (per 'The Avengers' film); so, yes, the organization was good at keeping its existence secret to the majority of the world.

If no other history was ever given,
Coulson said they recruited him as a teenager.

Oh come on, there would only be fourteen :p

Well, 13. There's no such thing as an "F-" it's just "F."

Oh, there is, but it's reserved specifically for haters.

I'm not sure that I think of ULTIMATUM as a threat force that could hold one of the movies together. Not a stand-alone, anyway. Remembering that as Gruenwald's run in the Captain America comics continued, they ended up almost a front for the Red Skull. Right along with the Watchdogs, Secret Empire and (though von Strucker and the Skull might have cause to jointly object to such a characterization, seeing themselves as peers if not always allies) HYDRA.

I always thought that was a little odd, considering how viciously some of those organizations were working at cross-purposes. I think Gruenwald invented that one on the fly for Cap #350 and just went with it after that whether it made sense or not.

just saw it, damn my quick eyes, caught the F4 tower and the last console's password was 12345

Dark Helmet: That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard of in my life! That's the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

President Skroob: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!

Evans played wonderfully off all the main cast and apart from Crossbones I felt that all of the principles gave top-notch mega-movie performances.

I didn't even realize that was supposed to be Crossbones until I saw the credits.

I never thought SHIELD was a good fit for Cap. I liked him better in the Grunwald days and would have liked to see the Serpent Society and Diamondback make an appearance. Or Flag Smasher and ULTIMATUM or Superia.

But I'm glad it wasn't a Dr. Nightshade turning Cap into a Werewolf movie.

Yes, but if it was, we would have gotten a Wolverine crossover!

Is anyone here an Algerian or has met lots of Algerians? Cause I feel that the casting of Georges St-Pierre is whitewashing, but I don't know any real Algerians to get their take on it.

I was just glad to see Batroc at all. They even managed to work in the colors of his costume. You'd think Nightshade and Capwolf would be ahead of "Batroc zee Leap-aire" in terms of priority.

I dunno-- did anyone miss his terrible French accent?

As to that, plus his occasional French oaths and references ... I saw an article a few years ago saying Batroc apparently doesn't speak French any better than he speaks English. :guffaw::lol::guffaw:

My favorite lines in the film were when Black Widow asked the Captain if that was his first kiss since 1945 and when she said "Bye bye bikinis". :guffaw:

"Yeah, I bet you look terrible in them."

Finally, an action heroine acknowledges the obvious. How many characters really ought to be covered with scars and aren't? You'd think that would have come up years ago ... especially with the heroines where a bikini is their costume.

Should Steve even know what a bikini is? The term was coined postwar.

Oh, so that's why he spends so much time on the Internet.
 
Finally, an action heroine acknowledges the obvious. How many characters really ought to be covered with scars and aren't? You'd think that would have come up years ago ... especially with the heroines where a bikini is their costume.

Should Steve even know what a bikini is? The term was coined postwar.

It's odd that a rather small scar on her otherwise flawless body would make her ditch bikinis. Trust me, Natasha. No one's going to notice! As for Steve and bikinis? He's been out for a year or two, I'm sure he's learned by now what a bikini is.
 
I assumed the Winter Soldier's history was supposed to be similar to the comics except that HYDRA got full control of him after a while. That file we saw later in the movie appeared to be written in Cyrillic. I wish they'd made the point clearer, though.

It's entirely possible, but HYDRA and KGB are not mutually exclusive in the movie universe.

Should Steve even know what a bikini is? The term was coined postwar.

Oh, so that's why he spends so much time on the Internet.

Yeah, I think he's a quick learner and would have picked that up. He picked up a pretty random movie reference, so I think he could figure out bikinis. They're hard to miss, after all.
 
Wondering if maybe, in addition to Three Days of the Condor and some of the other stated influences, we shouldn't add The Boys From Brazil to the list. What say the rest of you?
 
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I was just glad to see Batroc at all. They even managed to work in the colors of his costume. You'd think Nightshade and Capwolf would be ahead of "Batroc zee Leap-aire" in terms of priority.

I dunno-- did anyone miss his terrible French accent?

As to that, plus his occasional French oaths and references ... I saw an article a few years ago saying Batroc apparently doesn't speak French any better than he speaks English. :guffaw::lol::guffaw:
I'm a Spanish not French guy, and so I don't have experience in French accents, but maybe you perceive it that way because Georges St-Pierre is from Quebec. Of course according to Alexander Pierce, "Actually, he's Algerian." and according to the S.H.I.E.L.D. file Batroc was in the DGSE, I'm going to believe that you're right about a bad "French" accent.
The fact that Batroc spoke in French and Cap replied to him in kind was a nice touch.
That true. Now I wish that in Captain America: The First Avenger, the Captain spoke to Red Skull in German. Now that would be cool especially considering that the movie ridiculously had all Germans and even Norwegians speak in English.
 
I didn't even realize that was supposed to be Crossbones until I saw the credits.

I didn't realize it until I went home and looked it up! I'm not a huge Marvel comics fan, though I've heard of Crossbones. I figured that Brock Rumlow must be somebody from the books, since they spent a scene showing him in the hospital, badly scarred, being loaded onto a gurney.
 
Yeah, that's when I realized it as well. I vaguely knew of Crossbones, but not enough to truly appreciate it. Of course, my lack of knowledge on who Rumlow was didn't help preserve the surprise of him being a turncoat either because that elevator scene was promoted to death.
 
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