Can't Stomach Blu-Ray

[jefferiestubes8]

consumer video formats

brand new technology that will start broadcasting in year of 2015.

plan to start broadcasting with it beginning in 2015 in Japan

New technology takes time to develop and bring the costs down.

The early adopters always pay top price.

Blu-ray background
Blu-Ray was first announced at the CEATEC exhibition in October 2000

The first Blu-Ray players were available to consumers in Japan, beginning in April 2003, costing approximately $3,800.

Sony's first Blu-ray player model BDP-S1 in U.S. cost on October 25, 2006 for Sony began to mass market their Blu-Ray player for approximately $699.

You can now purchase a Blu-ray player for under $200. in 2009. That is 8 years before it really took off from the first announcement and 9 years before the first Star Trek release on this consumer home video format.

Super Hi-vision (SHV) prototype system demonstrated in September 2003
demonstrated at Expo 2005, Aichi, Japan, the NAB 2006 and NAB 2007 conferences, Las Vegas, and at IBC 2006 and IBC 2008

from Wikipedia.

NHK hopes that devices capable of dispaying the 8K resolution images will be available on the market by 2020.

September 16, 2008
Super Hi-Vision Technology to Reach Consumers in 2020


If SHV was prototyped in 2003 and plans for initial broadcasts to start in 2015 you should plan accordingly for 2020.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Blu-ray looks great on my parents' 42" 720p TV. I'm wondering what it looks like on a 1080p, since 1080p TVs are coming down to the same price as 720p TVs (although they're still outrageously high!).

J.

I was able to get a pretty good quality 40" Toshiba 1080p TV for only about $700 from Newegg. I was surprised I was able to get such a good deal, I was wanting a 37" or 40" TV and I figured I would have to pay at least $100-200 more then I did.

 

[stoneroses]

I love Bluray

 

[Amaris]

Blu-ray looks great on my parents' 42" 720p TV. I'm wondering what it looks like on a 1080p, since 1080p TVs are coming down to the same price as 720p TVs (although they're still outrageously high!).

J.

I was able to get a pretty good quality 40" Toshiba 1080p TV for only about $700 from Newegg. I was surprised I was able to get such a good deal, I was wanting a 37" or 40" TV and I figured I would have to pay at least $100-200 more then I did.

Nice. TigerDirect has a 42" 1080p Westinghouse for $500 right now.
I'm hoping that price drops by Christmas, because then I can get me a big TV and watch Star Trek in my bedroom on a huge screen like a theater!

J.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Blu-ray looks great on my parents' 42" 720p TV. I'm wondering what it looks like on a 1080p, since 1080p TVs are coming down to the same price as 720p TVs (although they're still outrageously high!).

J.

I was able to get a pretty good quality 40" Toshiba 1080p TV for only about $700 from Newegg. I was surprised I was able to get such a good deal, I was wanting a 37" or 40" TV and I figured I would have to pay at least $100-200 more then I did.

Nice. TigerDirect has a 42" 1080p Westinghouse for $500 right now.
I'm hoping that price drops by Christmas, because then I can get me a big TV and watch Star Trek in my bedroom on a huge screen like a theater!

J.

I don't know, according to this article the recession isn't hurting HDTV sales. I imagine we'll see some sales at Christmas time, but if sales of HDTVs continue the way they are I doubt they'll be any huge discounts.

 

[Amaris]

I was able to get a pretty good quality 40" Toshiba 1080p TV for only about $700 from Newegg. I was surprised I was able to get such a good deal, I was wanting a 37" or 40" TV and I figured I would have to pay at least $100-200 more then I did.

Nice. TigerDirect has a 42" 1080p Westinghouse for $500 right now.
I'm hoping that price drops by Christmas, because then I can get me a big TV and watch Star Trek in my bedroom on a huge screen like a theater!

J.

I don't know, according to this article the recession isn't hurting HDTV sales. I imagine we'll see some sales at Christmas time, but if sales of HDTVs continue the way they are I doubt they'll be any huge discounts.

Well, put it this way: If that Westinghouse hits $400 anywhere between now and Christmas, then I will sell my computer if I have to, to get one.

J.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

I have been sitting with a PS3 since 2007, i got one free movie, Casino Royal with it on its launch and yes it look wonderful, but no way was i ever going to be buying BD movies off the shelf at that time for over £20 a pop, and since then its been used a a very nice DVD upscaler.

Then i got my hands on TOS on BD and WOW!!!!!!!, same with the BD Trek movie box set.

Now i still have no intention of double dipping all my present DVD collection onto BD format, but i will be buying the occasional BD movie/TV show that i think will benefit from HD....like the new Trek movie when its released on BD, that's a must purchase on BD.

 

[Rii]

I just read that the upcoming Blu-Ray release of LOTR will only include the theatrical cuts, a thinly veiled ploy on the studio's part to get folks to double, or more likely triple-dip on the films when the extended editions are released the following year. It'll probably work too. Fuckers.

 

[BigFoot]

^ Yeah, that's been known for a while now. It sucks, but hey whatcha gonna do. You can either double-dip, or wait for the EEs. I personally haven't decided what I'm gonna do. It depends on the price of the films I guess.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Another reason why I'm vaguely pleased that I haven't made the switch. There's just so few films out there that demand I own a Blu Ray player.

Heh.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

DVD rental to decline starting in 2013-Internet distribution is future

Netflix's chief executive officer, Reed Hastings, thinks his core business is doomed.
As soon as four years from now, he predicts, the business that generates most of Netflix's revenue today will begin to decline, as DVDs delivered by mail steadily lose ground to movies sent straight over the Internet.

JUNE 23, 2009
Netflix Boss Plots Life After the DVD
Wall St. Journal SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2

Privately, studios do not expect consumers to replace their DVD libraries with the new technology – partly because these libraries can run to hundreds of titles but also because of anticipated growth in digital distribution of film content.

June 15 2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

With Verizon FiOS' 50 Mbps download/20Mbps upload [$140-$145/month tier] available as of June 2009
Your harddrive will hold your high definition movie in 2013.
If you do not own a HD movie title license outright then a subscription service will allow you to stream a library of HD movies from a yet-unnamed content provider.
Physical media will drop off tremendously by 2020.
The idea of a video rental store like the 1980s & 1990s is becoming obsolete.

 

[Geckothan]

I can imagine people putting ALL of their movies on their hard drives then having them break so they lose everything

 

[gh4chiefs]

I can imagine people putting ALL of their movies on their hard drives then having them break so they lose everything

I also think people are greatly overestimating the availability of broadband infrastructure. Plus, hasn't there been a recent move towards bandwith caps by ISPs?

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Internet data rate to the home for video content

hasn't there been a recent move towards bandwith caps by ISPs?

My post above mention Verizon FiOS tier price for that data rate.
Fiber optic delivery of Internet data will be tiered rates now and in the future. Each tier will have its own bandwidth cap.
Think out 5-10 years from now.
DSL is very limited. Coaxial Cable delivery of data is limited. Fiber is a much larger available growth for data.
Blu-ray may have a limited product life but it will work until a downloadable option is very good.
Blu-ray may be the last removable media format that movies are sold on physically in stores.

 

[Trubinator]

I had the same issue with the technology. A friend of mine is obsessed with it to an unhealthy degree and keeps buying thousands of those discs at $30 a pop at a whim. And for the longest time, I didn't give a crap about the difference. But I think that in the final analysis, Blu-Ray will trump DVD simply because of its immense storage capacity. Imagine being able to fit an entire season on one disc...

 

[Trubinator]

Re: DVD rental to decline starting in 2013-Internet distribution is fu

Netflix's chief executive officer, Reed Hastings, thinks his core business is doomed.
As soon as four years from now, he predicts, the business that generates most of Netflix's revenue today will begin to decline, as DVDs delivered by mail steadily lose ground to movies sent straight over the Internet.

JUNE 23, 2009
Netflix Boss Plots Life After the DVD
Wall St. Journal SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2

Privately, studios do not expect consumers to replace their DVD libraries with the new technology – partly because these libraries can run to hundreds of titles but also because of anticipated growth in digital distribution of film content.

June 15 2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8768baf0-59d5-11de-b687-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

With Verizon FiOS' 50 Mbps download/20Mbps upload [$140-$145/month tier] available as of June 2009
Your harddrive will hold your high definition movie in 2013.
If you do not own a HD movie title license outright then a subscription service will allow you to stream a library of HD movies from a yet-unnamed content provider.
Physical media will drop off tremendously by 2020.
The idea of a video rental store like the 1980s & 1990s is becoming obsolete.

The Financial Times article is pay-to-read. Can you share the text with us non-subscribers?

 

[Aragorn]

I had the same issue with the technology. A friend of mine is obsessed with it to an unhealthy degree and keeps buying thousands of those discs at $30 a pop at a whim. And for the longest time, I didn't give a crap about the difference. But I think that in the final analysis, Blu-Ray will trump DVD simply because of its immense storage capacity. Imagine being able to fit an entire season on one disc...

They tout storage capacity, but some of the studios are still doing the double-dipping rout with movies that have NONE of the DVD special features included, by having the rated and unrated versions being two separate purchase (i.e. Dodgeball), etc.

 

[Trubinator]

I'm not necessarily just talking about movies. People with Blu-Ray roms in their computers will be able to burn large quantities of data to a single disc. I think current discs allow up to 50 GB, and that's no small amount when you consider that hard drives used to be that small just a few years ago.

 

[Harvey]

True, but now affordable external hard drives are 1 terabyte or even larger. 50GB is nice, but what data are people transferring that is large enough, yet not important enough that a BLU-RAY disc (which could easily break) will suffice?

 

[Michael Chris]

Lots of stuff.