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And what premise was that?
You are begging the question. How are the justices appointed by Bush inclined to deny a whole group of people of their rights? That would be somewhat difficult to prove.
Bush just said goodbye!
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And what premise was that?
You are begging the question. How are the justices appointed by Bush inclined to deny a whole group of people of their rights? That would be somewhat difficult to prove.
I think the defining moment of the Bush presidency was expressed at a Saturday morning Congressional Republicans breakfast. Vice President Cheney told the group they were out of line with their plan to take $600 million out of antimissile defense and instead appropriate it to anti terrorist measures.
I'll let the VP speak for himself:
"Your proposal will be dead on arrival on the President's desk."
The breakfast was held on September 8, 2001.
I remember reading the weekend political news roundup on September 10th and thinking 'huh, business as usual'.
On September 11th one of my assistants called out, "Anna! You gotta see this!" so I went to the break room and saw what was on the TV: one of the World Trade Center towers on fire. "Huh, that was one freak accident, a plane crashing into it like that. It's a clear day, how could that happen??"
Then the second plane hit and with the cold realization I was seeing a world changing event I realized Bush's Pollyannaish faith that terrorists wouldn't attack us was false.
The domestic policy- centric Presidency he wanted evaporated. Instead we got a president who came up with a war plan.
Step One: Our boys steamroller the Iraqis and take Baghdad.
Step Two: Ahmad Chalabi swoops in from London and takes over the Iraqi government.
Step Three: our boys all come home in plenty of time for the red, white, and blue Fourth of July victory parade.
Crazy as it sounds, THAT WAS the plan!!!
Anybody still think he was a great leader?
I'll let the VP speak for himself:
"Your proposal will be dead on arrival on the President's desk."
The breakfast was held on September 8, 2001.
I remember reading the weekend political news roundup on September 10th and thinking 'huh, business as usual'.
On September 11th one of my assistants called out, "Anna! You gotta see this!" so I went to the break room and saw what was on the TV: one of the World Trade Center towers on fire. "Huh, that was one freak accident, a plane crashing into it like that. It's a clear day, how could that happen??"
Then the second plane hit and with the cold realization I was seeing a world changing event I realized Bush's Pollyannaish faith that terrorists wouldn't attack us was false.
The domestic policy- centric Presidency he wanted evaporated. Instead we got a president who came up with a war plan.
Step One: Our boys steamroller the Iraqis and take Baghdad.
Step Two: Ahmad Chalabi swoops in from London and takes over the Iraqi government.
Step Three: our boys all come home in plenty of time for the red, white, and blue Fourth of July victory parade.
Crazy as it sounds, THAT WAS the plan!!!
Anybody still think he was a great leader?
If we take "more" to mean "more than just you", I agree. I think that more than just you will feel that way.
How many more is arguable, of course...
Post a link.
I have seen no evidence of that.
From what I've observed, Nixon supporters have claimed he was a better president than people think based not on Watergate but on other actions during his presidency.
On the other hand, President Bush is widely condemned for the invasion of Iraq.
That is the primary thing Americans have held against him.
If all turns out well in the long run in Iraq, it will not only change the negative opinions about the Iraq War, but turn it into a huge positive for President Bush.
Also, if the U.S. remains safe for another year or so from foreign terrorist attack, President Bush can legitimately claim that HIS post 9-11 policies did in fact protect the U.S. from further attacks.
Especially if successful attacks do eventually occur in the 2010 and further out time frame
Makes you hard just thinking about it...doesn't it?
I'm not like some others in this thread who suggest the 9-11 attacks were simple flukes, unlikely to ever be repeated.
I firmly believe that once Al Queda proved that mass casuality attacks were possible against the continental United States, that the chances of followup attacks grew immensely.
And I think the Bush Admin. deserves considerable credit for preventing or averting those attacks.
I firmly believe that once Al Queda proved that mass casuality attacks were possible against the continental United States, that the chances of followup attacks grew immensely.
And I think the Bush Admin. deserves considerable credit for preventing or averting those attacks.
Why do critics always like to introduce some kind of sexual component to the discussion?
That is one weak argument.
Many of us are not like that at all.
Didn't answer the question.
Umm - no they wont; GWB will go down in History as the absotute worst President the U.S. has ever had up until he was elected to office. His precidency will also remained stained by the fact that the U.S. people DID NOT actually elect him in 2000 - the Supreme Court did.
(And I would have wrote something a lot more scaything, but I remember that this isn't a TNZ thread).
In his eight year term GWB did the following:
Destroyed the goodwill and overall reputation of the U.S. in the eyes of the rest of the world that we had built since the end of WW II
WRECKED the U.S. economy (and before any of the GWB scycophants attempt to blame Bill Clinton; please remember that in the last years of the Clinton administration we were econoically strong, stable and PAYING DOWN the national debt. Also as relates to Osama Bin Laden; 9/11/01 was a good 6 months after GWB took office; and GWB already had his organization in place and Cheney had created a NEW intelligence agency under the DoD. If you want to give GWB credit for his 'defense of the U.S.'; he also deserves the blame for the fact that the 9/11 attacks happened on his watch as well in the first place).
LIED to the U.S. population (he just didn't do it under oath and tried to claim that IF he or any of his Administartion were to actually testify before Congress it would only be if they WERE NOT under oath and no written/recored record of any such testimony be made); and got us into an UNNECISSARY war with Iraq. (To this day, I believe in and support our military efforts in Afghanistan as that was and is justified. The fact that GWB removed troops from that front to go into Iraq is another in his long line of 'bad decisions').
He also allowed U.S. infrastructure (bridges, roads, social services) to decay to deplorable levels; and his overall response to the katrina disaster was criminal. the fact he attempted to DEFEND his administration's response to Katrina in his final press conference just goes to further underscore how much of a clueless idiot he still is.
Leaving the arguments out is trolling. Warned as such. Comments to PM
Wow, is this like in elementary school when the girls punched the boys that you really liked??
more like this
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Don't bother. There's a bit of tone deafness going on with the right wing at the moment, like they are stuck in 2002 and the only people they are arguing with the left. They haven't quite digested that Bush is the most loathed president in modern history. He's more unpopular than Nixon at the height of Watergate. His disapproval rating is 70+% (!!!!). It's like living in an alternate reality.
Every once in a while we come to a point where it actually does more damage to just let them talk, where they do more damage to their cause just by speaking.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Bush was a great president. Well at least I am not. But I do think a lot of the things, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, for which he is hated are over blown or in some cases just not true.
Don't get me wrong, there are many legitimate reasons to disagree with the man. Despite, or perhaps because of, my very conservative leanings, he did plenty I disagree with. To me though so much of the Obama love and the Bush hatred are based purely on emotion which is probably not the best historical indicator.
Don't get me wrong, there are many legitimate reasons to disagree with the man. Despite, or perhaps because of, my very conservative leanings, he did plenty I disagree with. To me though so much of the Obama love and the Bush hatred are based purely on emotion which is probably not the best historical indicator.
Anyone who even considers seriously writing
Worst. President. Ever. in regards to President George W. Bush should never have anything they post again ever considered seriously.
They ignore Pierce and Buchanan who helped cause the Civil War.
Andrew Johnson who so badly mishandled reconstruction.
Coolidge and Hoover who either helped usher in the Great Depression (Coolidge) or made it worse (Hoover).
Nixon who ruined Americans faith in government to this day.
Carter who helped make the "misery index" a household term.
At the very worst, President Bush has been no closer to the bottom than eighth and is almost certainly at worst a dozen places or more higher than that.
Worst. President. Ever. in regards to President George W. Bush should never have anything they post again ever considered seriously.
They ignore Pierce and Buchanan who helped cause the Civil War.
Andrew Johnson who so badly mishandled reconstruction.
Coolidge and Hoover who either helped usher in the Great Depression (Coolidge) or made it worse (Hoover).
Nixon who ruined Americans faith in government to this day.
Carter who helped make the "misery index" a household term.
At the very worst, President Bush has been no closer to the bottom than eighth and is almost certainly at worst a dozen places or more higher than that.
Neither should people who say he was a good President. Of course, those people aren't taken seriously now so we'd just be maintaining the status quo.
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