Warrantless wiretapping is a violation of the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search) as upheld in Katz vs US in 1967 and subsequently extended to cell phones and other communications devices as technology progressed.
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Warrantless wiretapping is a violation of the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search) as upheld in Katz vs US in 1967 and subsequently extended to cell phones and other communications devices as technology progressed.
Irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
If preventing terrorist attacks means conflict with a 41 year old court case, then so be it.
Beyond a certain point it does. Privacy is also a right.
It appears NOT ONCE in the U.S. Constitution.
Being irrelevant as far as you're concerned (which can cover all manner of sins) and not being a violation of rights are two different things now, aren't they?
That's not even an argument, it's just repeating what you said before in a different way.
As much as I love my privacy, it is not a right in the constitution.
Just something the Supreme court made up to justify abortion.
Have you completely ignored what I fucking said? Saddam Hussein was almost a irrevelance in terms of being a clear and present danger in the Middle East throughout the 1990s let alone as a direct threat to the United States in the early 2000s. And his pre-emptive toppling and the criminally incompetent US occupation that occurred in his wake merely gave more advantages to genuine threats such as Iran, North Korea, and the myriad Islamic terrorist groups.
The right to privacy is not mentioned specifically in the Constitution, but the Supreme Court upheld the basic human right to privacy on numerous occasions citing the 3rd, 4th (unreasonable search and seizure - as I already mentioned and you just glossed over), 5th, and 9th amendments. And while abortion rights were one primary aspect it dealt with, privacy rights have been applied to numerous subjects.
There are a lot of things not mentioned specifically in the Constitution that are still protected under it through one or more of the amendments.
I can tolerate the passive surveillance in highstreets and in businesses where criminal activity is expected or routine with the general public not the target, but there is a big red line after that should not be strayed over - invasive surveillance on private individuals in their homes is inherently intrusive and a breach of civil rights.
First of all, what Locutus of Bored said quite well.
Second, that comment about abortion is just plain silly.
And finally, the whole point of the way the Constitution is structured is that any rights not reserved in it are assumed to be reserved to either the states, or to the People. And any rights not reserved to the states in their constitutions are reserved to the People. So it doesn't have to be "in the Constitution" - the fact that it isn't reserves it to you.
It may interest you to know that some of the Framers were concerned that people would think exactly as you seem to, and it was a major objection to including a Bill of Rights - that people would think that was all of their rights, when it isn't.
Plumster
Commander
Finally - he says something I agree with and that appears to be factually correct.
I've also asked my Irish mother if she feels British.......
And except for the over 4200 American soldiers killed in his trumped-up Iraq invasion and occupation.
I cannot wait to see this asshole get on the helicopter and out of our lives tomorrow. As a comic remarked the other day, we probably won't see him or Cheney again until their trials. Ifonly.
Then the economic problems Obama will handle will all be Bush's fault.
Good. I'm glad you won't be using that against him.
Plumster
Commander
I don't think there is one person, in the free world, outside of the United States that can believe the American people elected this idiot not once but twice.
Are there any other examples of collective stupidity that can be evidenced on such a scale?
I suspect not.
And what's all this nonsense about blaming Clinton for 9/11? Are people here seriously saying that they can't get their heads around decades of overt and covert meddling in the affairs of others by elements of the American intelligence community?
Astonishing - what kind of denial are some of you living in? Or did it never occur to you why people seem to dislike Americans wherever they go along with all the resentment such interfering causes?
What else might piss off your enemies since the 1950's?
1) Israel?
2) Globalisation and the theory of McWorld?
3) Oil?
4) Domino theory and propping up of nasty little dictators?
5) The moon landing conspiracy?
6) Crap porn?
7) Steve Martin's career in nosedive?
8) Will Smith?
9) A world series that's nothing of the sort?
10) Inability to laugh at yourselves.......
Personally - I love you all though.
Are there any other examples of collective stupidity that can be evidenced on such a scale?
I suspect not.
And what's all this nonsense about blaming Clinton for 9/11? Are people here seriously saying that they can't get their heads around decades of overt and covert meddling in the affairs of others by elements of the American intelligence community?
Astonishing - what kind of denial are some of you living in? Or did it never occur to you why people seem to dislike Americans wherever they go along with all the resentment such interfering causes?
What else might piss off your enemies since the 1950's?
1) Israel?
2) Globalisation and the theory of McWorld?
3) Oil?
4) Domino theory and propping up of nasty little dictators?
5) The moon landing conspiracy?
6) Crap porn?
7) Steve Martin's career in nosedive?
8) Will Smith?
9) A world series that's nothing of the sort?
10) Inability to laugh at yourselves.......
Personally - I love you all though.
How soon we forget that was Barney Frank and Dodd. Of course the Bush admin could have pushed harder than they did to stop the mortgages Frank was pushing. But Bush caved.
Here's an interesting quote:
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