Bush just said goodbye!

[USS Triumphant]

Finally - he says something I agree with and that appears to be factually correct.

I get the feeling that your evaluation of the latter is sometimes based on the former.

I did tell you I'm mostly in agreement with you in the overall discussion. I just don't see the need to be unkind to the other side, or to make slanderous assumptions about them. Either the facts are on your side, or they aren't - and that's all there needs to be to it. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. You will not convince anyone of anything by putting them on the defensive with attacks before they've had a chance to consider your position - it leaves them feeling like they have to refute your position along with the attacks.

 

[apostle83]

I consider Bush to be one of the best Presidents ever. I'm sad to see him replaced by the great manipulator.

 

[Trekker4747]

I consider Bush to be one of the best Presidents ever. I'm sad to see him replaced by the great manipulator.

"One of the best Presidents ever" who watched over the most diasterous attack on American soil, the deaths of 4000 American lives in a war in a country we've no business being in, the biggest increase in government power ever, the doubling of the national debt and the most diasterous collapse of the economy since the crash of '29.

Thank you George Bush, thank you.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I consider Bush to be one of the best Presidents ever.

Out of curiosity, where is your cutoff for that list? The top five? The top ten? Let's see:

Kennedy, Reagan, Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, F. Roosevelt. Which one of those is he supposed to be better than?

If your list of the best includes everyone except last place, then yes, maybe I could see a case for him being better than Nixon, or maybe Grant. Maybe.

 

[Augustus]

Last time I checked, a few months ago, it seemed historians and presidential scholars, were putting him around the middle of the pack.

 

[Plumster]

Finally - he says something I agree with and that appears to be factually correct.

I get the feeling that your evaluation of the latter is sometimes based on the former.

I did tell you I'm mostly in agreement with you in the overall discussion. I just don't see the need to be unkind to the other side, or to make slanderous assumptions about them. Either the facts are on your side, or they aren't - and that's all there needs to be to it. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. You will not convince anyone of anything by putting them on the defensive with attacks before they've had a chance to consider your position - it leaves them feeling like they have to refute your position along with the attacks.

No - I cannot agree that Ireland is in Great Britain.

 

[adv1701]

Thats where you guys are going waaaaay off course. We're not thinking Obama is going to change everything and make the world full of rainbows and sugarplums. Thats what you guys are saying we're thinking in an attempt to paint everyone who voted for Obama as a naive, mindless drone.

We're just asking for better than what we've had the past few years. There is no evidence so far that it won't be.

You guys lost. Handily.

Have you watched the news lately,people saying that they don't have to worry about their rent or filling upthe car because Obama is Prez, a Sen/Rep said it does not matter that Maryland is broke it only matters that Obama is here, no man can live up to these lofty expectations heaped on him. Therer will be a lot of disappointment. Listen to the Obama supporters calling talk radio for a good dose of ODS. 56-62 is not handily 8% does not a landslide make.

 

[Squiggy]

Could you provide a link to any of this?

 

[USS Triumphant]

No - I cannot agree that Ireland is in Great Britain.

Nor should you, if anyone had said that, which they didn't. But would you agree that it is in the United Kingdom?

 

[Squiggy]

Ireland is not. Northern Ireland is.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Ireland is not. Northern Ireland is.

Well, okay. But on that score, I will be a stubborn Yank and say they should be the same damned thing.

 

[adv1701]

Could you provide a link to any of this?

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wbff_vid_1847.shtml

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/11/obama_supporter_i_wont_have_to.php?comments=show

 

[Squiggy]

Ok...could you provide a news source that isn't "rightwingnews.com"?

 

[adv1701]

Those were the first links I found ,it does not change the content. I'm suprised you hadn't seen the second clip it was everywhere after one of THE ONE's campaign rallies. It can be found on Youtube as well.

 

[TheGodBen]

Ireland is not. Northern Ireland is.

Well, okay. But on that score, I will be a stubborn Yank and say they should be the same damned thing.

I'll be an open-minded Irishman and say that they certainly should not.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I'll be an open-minded Irishman and say that they certainly should not.

Does it really matter, when we're just going to end up forming United Earth, anyway?

 

[TheGodBen]

Yes.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Yes.

Oh. Well. Okay, then.

Andrea Corr is still hot, and has the voice of a goddess. Doesn't matter where she's from.

 

[trekkerguy]

Yes.

Oh. Well. Okay, then.

Andrea Corr is still hot, and has the voice of a goddess. Doesn't matter where she's from.

It cause she's Irish

 

[Kryton]

Monitoring does not equal denial of rights.

Warrantless wiretapping is a violation of the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search) as upheld in Katz vs US in 1967 and subsequently extended to cell phones and other communications devices as technology progressed.

Irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

If preventing terrorist attacks means conflict with a 41 year old court case, then so be it.

This is an extremely anti-American post. It has been reported.